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Old 06-12-2009, 10:40 AM
 
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It would take 5 years of good moral character and tax paying before they are even eligible to became citizens.

The instantaneous citizenship that some anti-illegals claim amnesty is, it is not really instantaneous.
In that case they will never attain their dream of becoming a citizen and feasting at the full buffet of benefits that will be available to them, because they have no moral character, much less good moral character. They think only of what benefits themselves and their 'group'. Collectively, they display a moral vacuity that leaves one shaking their head.
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Old 06-12-2009, 10:53 AM
 
Location: Ann Arbor, MI
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In that case they will never attain their dream of becoming a citizen and feasting at the full buffet of benefits that will be available to them, because they have no moral character, much less good moral character. They think only of what benefits themselves and their 'group'. Collectively, they display a moral vacuity that leaves one shaking their head.
Then it's less of an issue, if you say they cannot be of good moral character, they will not be able to became citizens ever, and chain migration will not be an issue. You should go tell the people who oppose amnesty on ground of what chain migration will cause, and give them your brilliant explanation of why chain migration is not really an issue.
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Old 06-12-2009, 11:02 AM
 
Location: Maryland
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It would take 5 years of good moral character and tax paying before they are even eligible to became citizens.

The instantaneous citizenship that some anti-illegals claim amnesty is, it is not really instantaneous.
They don’t need instantaneous citizenship. They only need instantaneous legalization; which is precisely what CIR would offer. Moreover, most have no interest in becoming citizens; they only want to remain in this country without the fear of deportation.
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Old 06-12-2009, 11:04 AM
 
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I could take a poll on ione side of town, where there's a large Hispanic population, and get the same results. Then I could poll the other side of town with very few Hispanics, and get just the oposite.

I've been called by pollsters who, if you don't answer their opening questions favorably, thank you, and hang up. Also, quite often 'no opinion' answers are counted in with whichever way they may be trying to skew the poll. In other words, if you're not definitely against something, you must be for it, or vice versa, even if you have no opinion. The only reliable poll is the ballot box, where people actually vote for what they're for or against.
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Old 06-12-2009, 11:05 AM
 
Location: Ann Arbor, MI
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They don’t need instantaneous citizenship. They only need instantaneous legalization; which is precisely what CIR would offer. Moreover, most have no interest in becoming citizens; they only want to remain in this country without the fear of deportation.
Then chain migration is a non-issue, since legal residents do not have the same rights as citizens to sponsor their parents, or siblings. You should notify NumbersUSA that their argument is incorrect.
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Old 06-12-2009, 11:07 AM
 
Location: Ann Arbor, MI
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In that case they will never attain their dream of becoming a citizen and feasting at the full buffet of benefits that will be available to them, because they have no moral character, much less good moral character. They think only of what benefits themselves and their 'group'. Collectively, they display a moral vacuity that leaves one shaking their head.
Then you could also argue that you display moral vacuity, since you only think of what benefits yourself and your group (U.S. Citizens + Legal Immigrants).
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Old 06-12-2009, 11:08 AM
 
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i agree, in mexico their legal residence.
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Old 06-12-2009, 11:10 AM
 
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i agree, in mexico their legal residence.
Exactly, since a lot of illegal immigrants are not form Mexico.
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Old 06-12-2009, 11:11 AM
 
Location: Maryland
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Then chain migration is a non-issue, since legal residents do not have the same rights as citizens to sponsor their parents, or siblings. You should notify NumbersUSA that their argument is incorrect.
If you research CIR, you will discover that their famiies will be permitted to “visit” them once they are legalized. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to know how long those “visits” will last. Of course, during their visits, many will conveniently give birth. We certainly wouldn't want to separate families, would we?
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Old 06-12-2009, 11:12 AM
 
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How would they obtain 5 years of good moral character? Having broken the law by crossing the border illegally, then using either a fake of stolen SS# to work, and perhaps use of a stolen birth certificate, would seem to me to negate good moral character.
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