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Old 06-12-2009, 11:13 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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Originally Posted by Kellem View Post
It would take 5 years of good moral character and tax paying before they are even eligible to became citizens.

The instantaneous citizenship that some anti-illegals claim amnesty is, it is not really instantaneous.
As I've stated before, less than 5% will actually attain legal status as they won't even come close to the requirements. Most won't learn English well enough to "pass" any verbal or written exam. They won't pay a large fine and the list goes on. Without it being a strings free, no questions asked amnesty it's going to be business as usual.
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Old 06-12-2009, 11:14 AM
 
Location: Maryland
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How would they obtain 5 years of good moral character? Having broken the law by crossing the border illegally, then using either a fake of stolen SS# to work, and perhaps use of a stolen birth certificate, would seem to me to negate good moral character.
Bingo!
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Old 06-13-2009, 12:15 PM
 
Location: California
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Just another poll........

From January 2009 PEW Hispanic Center poll.....

"A year and a half after a lengthy, often rancorous debate over immigration reform filled the chambers of a stalemated Congress, the issue appears to have receded in importance among one of the groups most affected by it--Latinos. Only three-in-ten (31%) Latinos rate immigration as an "extremely important" issue facing the incoming Obama administration, placing it sixth on a list of seven policy priorities that respondents were asked to assess in a nationwide survey of 1,007 Latino adults conducted from December 3 through December 10, 2008, by the Pew Hispanic Center. The top-rated issue among Latinos is the economy; 57% of Hispanics say it is an "extremely important" one for the new president to address."

Hispanics and the New Administration - Pew Hispanic Center
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Old 06-13-2009, 12:50 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Geeze people..the polls are skewed and partisian.

Here's one..66% against
Poll: Immigration Amnesty Is Unpopular Outside the Beltway, Pols Remain Clueless - Bonnie Erbe (usnews.com)

Here's one site with a number of polls..majority against:
The Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR):

Here's some more polls in favor of:
The Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR):
Immigration Chronicles: Most residents favor citizenship for illegal immigrants

See for any poll FOR you can find another poll AGAINST.
Clearly there's an agenda behind each poll and you should read them with a grain of salt.

Asking 1000 Hispanic people about amnesty is not a fair poll.
Asking 1000 conservative citizens from a bible belt state about amnesty is not a fair poll.

In this day and age there are no more "fair" polls. Those polls are nothing more than propaganda anymore.
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Old 06-13-2009, 01:55 PM
 
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Then you could also argue that you display moral vacuity, since you only think of what benefits yourself and your group (U.S. Citizens + Legal Immigrants).
I am in my country, not squatting in someone else's expecting citizenship.
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Old 06-13-2009, 05:44 PM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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Then you could also argue that you display moral vacuity, since you only think of what benefits yourself and your group (U.S. Citizens + Legal Immigrants).
Illegal aliens are immoral by definition as well as being criminal losers.
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Old 06-14-2009, 10:13 PM
 
Location: SF.
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Despite anti-immigrant groups repeated attempts to sway public opinion by scapegoating immigrants for the recession, new polling data suggests that the majority of likely voters actually support an overhaul of our broken immigration system--an overhaul that includes a path to citizenship for the roughly 12 million undocumented immigrants living in America.

A recent survey by Benson Strategy Group--a group who conducts polling for President Obama and Fortune 100 Companies--found that 71% of likely voters think undocumented immigrants should take steps to become legal taxpayers. Similarly, Celinda Lake of Lake Research Partners said recent polling data suggests that voters want undocumented immigrants out of the shadows and on the books:

[URL="http://www.alternet.org/rights/140533/the_numbers_are_in:_most_americans_want_an_immigra tion_overhaul/"]The Numbers Are In: Most Americans Want an Immigration Overhaul | Rights and Liberties | AlterNet[/URL]
Theres no chance for amnesty. Next is the birthright loophole.
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Old 06-15-2009, 05:03 AM
 
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How would they obtain 5 years of good moral character? Having broken the law by crossing the border illegally, then using either a fake of stolen SS# to work, and perhaps use of a stolen birth certificate, would seem to me to negate good moral character.
Not to mention the blight they create, there is a big difference in being poor and being a pig. down right dirty piles of trash whats so hard to do? laziness. stop talking so loud and get your kids to behave have some repect for yourself! these people are a nusance in every way.
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Old 06-15-2009, 05:12 AM
 
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Despite anti-immigrant groups repeated attempts to sway public opinion by scapegoating immigrants for the recession, new polling data suggests that the majority of likely voters actually support an overhaul of our broken immigration system--an overhaul that includes a path to citizenship for the roughly 12 million undocumented immigrants living in America.

A recent survey by Benson Strategy Group--a group who conducts polling for President Obama and Fortune 100 Companies--found that 71% of likely voters think undocumented immigrants should take steps to become legal taxpayers. Similarly, Celinda Lake of Lake Research Partners said recent polling data suggests that voters want undocumented immigrants out of the shadows and on the books:

The Numbers Are In: Most Americans Want an Immigration Overhaul | Rights and Liberties | AlterNet
it is funny that it was a poll of "likely" voters......
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