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Old 06-12-2009, 12:49 PM
 
Location: CITY OF ANGELS AND CONSTANT DANGER
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thats exactly what i wondered! if they were legit, why wasnt that proven.

unless there is some serious red tape and the month they were given to prove legit the documents wasnt enough...

no problem. the jobwill go to another hispanic (maybe a black person) in the area. vernon is surrounded by the most hispanic (and to a lesser extent black) areas in LA>

oh and that poster the child was holding? racist?!?! that was ridiculous.

the article said that lawyers are mad because the feds dont explicitly tell the companies who to hire, or in this case, fire. but of course the company is going to do away with those suspect individuals. it wants to avoid any more legal problems, including fines.

im with the Co. on this one. i owuld rather have 1/4 of the workforce without a job, than the whole plant.
vernon is a magnet for the working class communities in LA>

it has been since the founding of the city in the early 1900's/ it provides thousands of jobs.

im with the Co. here.

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Computer 'raid' in Vernon leaves factory workers devastated - Los Angeles Times

Well, Ms. Macias, why don't you have it checked with the officials and come back to us on that issue.

ADIOS ILEGALES!!!

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Old 06-12-2009, 01:14 PM
 
Location: Ann Arbor, MI
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Now they are “flying in” gynecologists. Give me a break!

It is not discrimination to enforce our laws. Nor is it discrimination to expect illegal aliens to abide by the same laws as citizens. If you don’t like the laws in this country, you are certainly free to seek citizenship in a country more suitable to your high moral standards.
I wonder if your ancestors would agree with you, specially when slave owners were using the same argument.

Or women before the law allowed them to vote.

Or uneducated people when literacy tests were used to keep people from voting.

All of these were legal at some point, and someone had to disobey a law for it to get fixed. Now we not only consider this practices immoral but also illegal.

Now its the same thing, except the discriminating factor is geography and lineage. Does it feel good to be on the side that discriminates, and not in the side that is discriminated against?

But I think the concept of what is moral and what is not evolves, and then laws follow.

About my example, yes flying in gynaecologysts. My example was based on personal experience of friends whose families are not in any kind of financial trouble. Families that pay $500-1000/month for private school per child in a country where the minimum wage is under $200/month. Those generally are the ones that make sure their kids have any opportunity possible and plan ahead.

And if I don't like the laws in this country I can do whatever is in my power to change them, I have played by your rules and soon will be a citizen. And as a U.S. citizen I will work my best to make sure that the laws of this country reflect what my moral compass thinks it's correct.
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Old 06-12-2009, 01:41 PM
 
Location: Ann Arbor, MI
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<<Hiding behind a law to discriminate against people Is not moral.>>

So, Kellem, your morals dictate which laws you should obey, and which you should ignore? I didn't realize the law was a 'pick and choose' game. It could equally be said you're hiding behind a cloak of morality to condone law breaking.
You could, but if I don't live by what I think is right then what am I. The same way if I see a law that does not go with my morals, I will try to change it, and in the case of not having any other option break it.

This is one of the main reasons I have not gone into law, and went into engineering. Lawyers have to be able to at some points put their morals aside if they want to continue practising. I would be disbarred the first time I came around having to do something that I think strongly conflicts with what I think it's right.

You cannot be like a little sheep that just follows the group and lets some people dictate what you think is right and wrong. If you think illegal immigration is wrong, and you have your reasons then stand against it. I don't think deporting this people is a better option than legalizing them. So that's what I stand for.
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Old 06-12-2009, 01:47 PM
 
Location: Where laws can be ignored due to political correctness
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I wonder if your ancestors would agree with you, specially when slave owners were using the same argument.

Or women before the law allowed them to vote.

Or uneducated people when literacy tests were used to keep people from voting.

All of these were legal at some point, and someone had to disobey a law for it to get fixed. Now we not only consider this practices immoral but also illegal.
Illegal foreigners are NOT entitled to the same privileges as US-born citizens.

The United States, as well as every other country in the world, has a right to its own sovereignty and enforce laws no matter how much you disagree with that.

Why should the US bow down to illegal foreigners anyway?

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Old 06-12-2009, 02:06 PM
 
Location: Jewel Lake (Sagle) Idaho
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The government took no action against the workers. But Overhill did: All of the employees were fired May 31.

Where is the outrage about a government that takes no action to do their job with regard to enforcing imigration laws? Seems like there should be plenty of good tips where to locate some 260 criminals and at the least arrange deportation.
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Old 06-12-2009, 02:29 PM
 
Location: Ann Arbor, MI
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Illegal foreigners are NOT entitled to the same privileges as US-born citizens.
I think this is wrong, so I will do what is within my means to change it.
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The United States, as well as every other country in the world, has a right to its own sovereignty and enforce laws no matter how much you disagree with that.

Why should the US bow down to illegal foreigners anyway?
They don't want anyone to bow, they want to work and study.
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Old 06-12-2009, 02:30 PM
 
Location: Everywhere USA
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Default To Kellem ~ belief system does not equal law

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Please provide the law that say you must become a citizen before giving birth in the U.S.



They did not come for the sole purpose of giving birth, they did tourism too. They are acting within the confines of the law.



I have a believe system that dictates that all men are created equal, and that all individuals have the right to pursue happiness, to life, and to liberty. Not just the ones that happened to be born in the right geographical area. And I act as my belief system dictates. Also, I do not hold in high regard laws that oppose my belief system and act to the best of my ability to change them, and provide guidance to those who are affected by the law.
Wow, just wow ~ you said: "And I act as my belief system dictates. Also, I do not hold in high regard laws that oppose my belief system..."

Hmmm...here are a few belief systems for you - are they OK even though they are against the law?

* stealing because you are hungry
* domestic abuse, b/c "she made me angry"
* perverts that are into child pornography
* serial killers who have a compulsion to kill

After all, it's their "belief system" and they "do not hold in high regard laws that oppose my belief system"?!?

You do not comprehend nor belong in the U.S. ~ we respect our laws and *personally* may have belief systems, as long as they do not break the law.

Also, you state: "Please provide the law that say you must become a citizen before giving birth in the U.S." The law does not confer citizenship rights on someone, simply because they gave birth here. Duh. Stop beating that dead horse, the 14th amendment is not being upheld as it was intended, others here already argued that to death, and you lost.

Kellem, please get over yourself. Seriously. Really. Think about what you are saying and how it simply makes a mockery of the U.S. system of laws in place.
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Old 06-12-2009, 02:34 PM
 
Location: Where laws can be ignored due to political correctness
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Illegal foreigners are NOT entitled to the same privileges as US-born citizens.
I think this is wrong, so I will do what is within my means to change it.
No wonder. I suppose that's the kind of response I should've initially expected from a self-proclaimed illegal alien anyway.
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Old 06-12-2009, 02:34 PM
 
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The government took no action against the workers. But Overhill did: All of the employees were fired May 31.

Where is the outrage about a government that takes no action to do their job with regard to enforcing imigration laws? Seems like there should be plenty of good tips where to locate some 260 criminals and at the least arrange deportation.
Part of the answer lies with the same National Chamber of Commerce that I mentioned earlier, as it is the NCC that openly hates government, promotes small/no government, and does all it can to reduce the size of government. It's no wonder why our government doesn't have the people to go out and round these people up. The NCC talks a nice game of getting the government off the backs of the people, but what that really means in NCC-double talk is letting business and industry run roughshod over us.
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Old 06-12-2009, 02:36 PM
 
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It was the company's own choice to let these workers go, nobody made them do it, so why would they hire back illegals?
Because they hired them in the first place years back and kept hiring them while the company was pulling in hundreds of millions of dollars, paying chicken feed while the owners lived in Hollywood and sent their spawns to finest schools in the world.
Once hooked on simi slave labour always hooked because of pure greed. Besides they need to payoff some politicians to keep the fed off of them this time instead of the State of California.
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