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Old 06-14-2009, 02:07 PM
 
Location: Ann Arbor, MI
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This is only one of many instances of established laws or policies being changed or ignored to accommodate illegal aliens; because, after all, it would be discrimination to actually expect illegals to abide by our laws. It was never a problem to require U.S. citizens to provide an SSN. Now, suddenly, they no longer require an SSN, for one reason alone -- because illegal aliens can’t legally obtain one. Why do we have laws if they will not be enforced, or if they will be changed whenever an illegal can’t or won’t comply?

If a U.S. citizen is caught using a fake or stolen identity, they will be prosecuted. Conversely, the courts have ruled that an illegal alien cannot be prosecuted unless he/she knew the identity belonged to an actual person. As I stated, we have a two-tiered legal system in this country; and it’s BS.

Furthermore, I am not your buddy.
Laws, like everything else, evolves, usually following changes in morals. ( In this case it might be PC or something else). Some people take longer to evolve and adapt, specially older people who are more set on their ways. (of course with a large distribution of exceptions)
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Old 06-14-2009, 02:10 PM
 
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Laws, like everything else, evolves, usually following changes in morals. ( In this case it might be PC or something else). Some people take longer to evolve and adapt, specially older people who are more set on their ways. (of course with a large distribution of exceptions)
To Benicar laws are suppossed to be unchangeable (the law is the law). The concept of moral relativity doens't really jive with Benicar.
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Old 06-14-2009, 02:26 PM
 
Location: Maryland
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Laws, like everything else, evolves, usually following changes in morals. ( In this case it might be PC or something else). Some people take longer to evolve and adapt, specially older people who are more set on their ways. (of course with a large distribution of exceptions)
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To Benicar laws are suppossed to be unchangeable (the law is the law). The concept of moral relativity doens't really jive with Benicar.
I would expect no less from the embryonic mind. Perhaps all of our laws should “evolve” to accommodate border jumpers.
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Old 06-14-2009, 02:31 PM
 
Location: Ann Arbor, MI
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[quote=Benicar;9290308]I would expect no less from the embryonic mind. Perhaps all of our laws should “evolve” to accommodate border jumpers.[/quote]

I agree, they should to some extent. And also the ones that come in planes.
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Old 06-14-2009, 02:35 PM
 
Location: Maryland
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I agree, they should to some extent. And also the ones that come in planes.
Such as the 9/11 terrorists?
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Old 06-14-2009, 02:48 PM
 
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The ACLU should take the American out of their name because it's obvious that they are promoting discrimination against Legal American citizens in our own country..
I remember a few years ago there was a member of the ACLU on the O'Reilly Factor who said he did not consider himself to be an American, he considered himself to be a citizen of the world.
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Old 06-14-2009, 02:59 PM
 
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Such as the 9/11 terrorists?
Exactly since those were the majority...oh, wait...well at least a representative number...oh, wait...they were not even illegal immigrants.

How does this even apply?

It's like saying since Tancredo's aid is a racist, then all who opose illegal immigration, and immigration in general are racist. Now, do you advocate these kinds of generalizations, or were you just playing on fear since you did could not come up with a logical argument?
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Old 06-14-2009, 03:10 PM
 
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Exactly since those were the majority...oh, wait...well at least a representative number...oh, wait...they were not even illegal immigrants.
How does this even apply?

It's like saying since Tancredo's aid is a racist, then all who opose illegal immigration, and immigration in general are racist. Now, do you advocate these kinds of generalizations, or were you just playing on fear since you did could not come up with a logical argument?
Perhaps if you didn’t spend so much time trying to think of snide remarks, you could do a little homework. Thus, avoid the appearance of ignorance.

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A potential terrorist who can obtain a valid visa is more likely to enter the United States legally than to risk apprehension by trying to sneak across the border with Mexico, Meyers said. Two of the 19 Sept. 11 hijackers were in the United States on expired visas. At least six others had otherwise violated immigration laws but were nonetheless able to stay in the United States, according to the 9/11 Commission report.

The terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, focused political attention on visa overstays and spurred Congress to beef up efforts to track them. Since Sept. 11, the State Department has conducted more rigorous background checks on those who are seeking visas, and immigration enforcement officers check to make sure that those in the United States on student visas are actually pursuing education at a certified institution.
9/11 Security Solutions, LLC - Border initiatives miss huge group:Millions overstay; security risk seen
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Old 06-14-2009, 03:18 PM
 
Location: Ann Arbor, MI
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Perhaps if you didn’t spend so much time trying to think of snide remarks, you could do a little homework. Thus, avoid the appearance of ignorance.



9/11 Security Solutions, LLC - Border initiatives miss huge group:Millions overstay; security risk seen

CNN.com - Six months after Sept. 11, hijackers' visa approval letters received - March 13, 2002

The fact that a visa is expires does not mean they are illegal aliens, if your paperwork is with the USCIS you are not here illegaly. Some of these guys were sent letter of their approvals after the attacks.
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Old 06-14-2009, 03:25 PM
 
Location: Over Yonder
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Exactly since those were the majority...oh, wait...well at least a representative number...oh, wait...they were not even illegal immigrants.

How does this even apply?

It's like saying since Tancredo's aid is a racist, then all who opose illegal immigration, and immigration in general are racist. Now, do you advocate these kinds of generalizations, or were you just playing on fear since you did could not come up with a logical argument?
Actually, I heard that very argument when Tancredo's aid was being discussed. Maybe you didn't see that thread, but it was nothing but a big slug fest aimed at a man that had nothing to do with the crime committed. But nearly every pro-illegal on the board was using this arrest as a reason to discredit Tancredo as a racist because he had an aid who went on a rampage. Good to hear someone from the pro-side actually disagreed with that nonsense.
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