If all illegal aliens were legal..? (2009, medical, enemies, born)

[Benicar]

Originally Posted by Travelling fella

The main problem is the hippocrisy behind this issue imho and the unilaterality of the decisions, no single country can end this problem singlehanded.

Well europe is not the world, not even close to the big majority of it, how many europes would fit in brazil? 40? maybe more. But I believe that we'll be seeing more and more amnesties in different countries as the globalization keeps advancing and more countries offer good opportunities.

Now I don't want to convince anyone of amnesty, I just stated my opinion on why I would welcome illegal aliens if they were legalized, regardless of the country, this sparked an interesting debate which so far has been respectful and enlightening.

And again I repeat, if illegal aliens were amnestied in the country where I'm a citizen I wouldn't mind, that's my opinion and it was requested. If you want to know the reasons of my reasoning I can give more details

regards

C’mon, let’s not exaggerate. You know Brazil is not 40 times larger than Europe. Anyway, considering the vastness of Brazil, wouldn’t you think they would be willing to grant amnesty to more than 50,000 foreigners? Heck, why don’t we send them the majority of ours.

I’m sorry, but we simply can’t have another amnesty. As you stated, this is a big world. Let some of the other countries share the burden. We have been more than generous, and now it’s time for illegal aliens to return home.

[Travelling fella]

Originally Posted by Benicar

I’m sorry, but we simply can’t have another amnesty. As you stated, this is a big world. Let some of the other countries share the burden.

That's exactly the idea I have in mind!

Now regarding the size of Brazil vs Europe, I think you are right and I exaggerated quite a bit, but that's because brazil is huuuuuuuge, bigger than the USA without Alaska, Hawaii, etc.

http://www.nationsencyclopedia.com/Americas/Brazil-LOCATION-SIZE-AND-EXTENT.html

Brazil is the largest country in South America and the fourth-largest in the world in coterminous area, ranking after Russia, Canada, and China (the US is larger with Alaska, Hawaii, and the dependencies included). Occupying nearly half of the South American continent, it covers an area of 8,511,965 sq km (3,286,488 sq mi), extending 4,395 km (2,731 mi) N – S and 4,320 km (2,684 mi)

Map of Europe, European Maps, Countries, Landforms, Rivers, and Geography Information - Worldatlas.com

EUROPE

Continent Size:
9,938,000 sq km
3,837,081 sq miles

Percent of Earth's
Land: 6.7%


Brazil's size 3,286,488 sq mi
Europe size 3,837,081 sq mi

impressive size anyway huh? And sorry but I have to brag that I've been around most of the country's regions

[macmeal]

Originally Posted by Travelling fella

That's exactly the idea I have in mind!

Now regarding the size of Brazil vs Europe, I think you are right and I exaggerated quite a bit, but that's because brazil is huuuuuuuge, bigger than the USA without Alaska, Hawaii, etc.

http://www.nationsencyclopedia.com/Americas/Brazil-LOCATION-SIZE-AND-EXTENT.html

Brazil is the largest country in South America and the fourth-largest in the world in coterminous area, ranking after Russia, Canada, and China (the US is larger with Alaska, Hawaii, and the dependencies included). Occupying nearly half of the South American continent, it covers an area of 8,511,965 sq km (3,286,488 sq mi), extending 4,395 km (2,731 mi) N – S and 4,320 km (2,684 mi)

Map of Europe, European Maps, Countries, Landforms, Rivers, and Geography Information - Worldatlas.com

EUROPE

Continent Size:
9,938,000 sq km
3,837,081 sq miles

Percent of Earth's
Land: 6.7%


Brazil's size 3,286,488 sq mi
Europe size 3,837,081 sq mi

impressive size anyway huh? And sorry but I have to brag that I've been around most of the country's regions

By all means, BRAG!....Brazil IS a fabulous place; I've been to SOME of it myself, certainly not as recently as you, nor as big a part of it. But it's quite a place, as you say. My impression of the place is that it has a GREAT future....someday. It IS huge, and it has an extremely multi-ethnic society. But the comparison only goes so far. A huge part of Brazil is nearly uninhabited; it has MASSIVE poverty; and it has serious infrastructure problems.

You're basically preaching here to an audience of middle-class Americans, MOST of us pretty well 'tied' to our life here. As a 'Travelling Fella', your viewpoint is that of an observer, not a committed, life-long resident of Brazil. Most of us don't have that flexibility, and MOST of us would not be tempted to seek a life in Brazil, with a per-capita income less than 1/6 that of the US. This, plus the fact that our number..AND our percentage of illegals...is in an entirely different UNIVERSE than the problem in Brazil.

Brazil is an interesting place, but I see no real parallel with THEIR illegal problem as compared with ours. In fact, I see very few parallels in MOST of the world with the 'illegal' situation, as we here are currently experiencing it...particularly in the matter of SCALE.

For every country which has given 'lip service' to amnestizing illegals, there is ANOTHER country which engages in periodic violent 'purges' to drive illegal trespassers OUT(or keeps them from ever entering in the first place). I believe this happens with some regularity in various countries of West Africa, (Sierra Leone, Nigeria, Liberia), as well as other areas...but again, THAT situation doesn't compare with ours, either....

[Travelling fella]

Originally Posted by macmeal

By all means, BRAG!....Brazil IS a fabulous place; I've been to SOME of it myself, certainly not as recently as you, nor as big a part of it. But it's quite a place, as you say. My impression of the place is that it has a GREAT future....someday. It IS huge, and it has an extremely multi-ethnic society. But the comparison only goes so far. A huge part of Brazil is nearly uninhabited; it has MASSIVE poverty; and it has serious infrastructure problems.

You're basically preaching here to an audience of middle-class Americans, MOST of us pretty well 'tied' to our life here. As a 'Travelling Fella', your viewpoint is that of an observer, not a committed, life-long resident of Brazil. Most of us don't have that flexibility, and MOST of us would not be tempted to seek a life in Brazil, with a per-capita income less than 1/6 that of the US. This, plus the fact that our number..AND our percentage of illegals...is in an entirely different UNIVERSE than the problem in Brazil.

Brazil is an interesting place, but I see no real parallel with THEIR illegal problem as compared with ours. In fact, I see very few parallels in MOST of the world with the 'illegal' situation, as we here are currently experiencing it...particularly in the matter of SCALE.

For every country which has given 'lip service' to amnestizing illegals, there is ANOTHER country which engages in periodic violent 'purges' to drive illegal trespassers OUT(or keeps them from ever entering in the first place). I believe this happens with some regularity in various countries of West Africa, (Sierra Leone, Nigeria, Liberia), as well as other areas...but again, THAT situation doesn't compare with ours, either....

You can Trust me my friend that the income of Brazil in 10 years won't be 1/6 of the USA and hear me well, when that happens you'll see the huge influx of immigrants that this country will have.

Now infrastructure is something that is very relative, there are parts of Brazil that are uninhabited, but there are big and prosperous cities that are a model for the world of the future. (as CD's copyright policies are strict) do a google search for londrina, maringa, curitiba, brasilia, cuiaba, etc.

You were right when you mentioned that I'm an observer, that's right I like to watch the different situations in the world and develop an opinion because of them.

Right now I still believe that as the world continues developing, there will be a point when immigration won't be illegal anymore in any country, because countries will start legalizing their illegal population in exchange of other countries doing the same. And that I think will be the end of all this controversies. I don't know how long till we reach that point, but as time passes I believe it more and more

Next stop India! let's see what the country offers.

My India Paramahansa Yogananda.

[Greatday]

No.

Also, it would be a slap in the face to all of those immigrants who worked so very hard to come to the United States LEGALLY. They would have every right to question the double standards being applied.

[John McClane]

You can Trust me my friend that the income of Brazil in 10 years won't be 1/6 of the USA and hear me well, when that happens you'll see the huge influx of immigrants that this country will have.

Brazil will never see a huge influx of illegal immigrants from around the around world because Brazil can not even provide a middle class lifestyle for most of it's legal citizens, let alone provide a middle class lifestyle for illegal immigrants.

Moving to Brazil because you think you will make alot of money is like moving to Russia to escape from cold weather.

That is why you have millions of Brazilians living in the U.S, Japan, and Europe. Because they don't see their country as a land of opportunity.

[antireconquista]

Originally Posted by John McClane

Brazil will never see a huge influx of illegal immigrants from around the around world because Brazil can not even provide a middle class lifestyle for most of it's legal citizens, let alone provide a middle class lifestyle for illegal immigrants.

Moving to Brazil because you think you will make alot of money is like moving to Russia to escape from cold weather.

That is why you have millions of Brazilians living in the U.S, Japan, and Europe. Because they don't see their country as a land of opportunity,

There is some wealth but the main problem is, as in Mexico, the majority of it is held by a few who can afford to live in gated communities, hire private security and alternative transportation and have little incentive to leave the country regardless of the crimes, corruption, wealth imbalance and widespread poverty.

Brazil's economy is growing but there's a VERY long way for it to go before it even comes close to near-first-world status.

Despite that, the lure of some money does attract illegal immigrants even though it'll be difficult to obtain a near-decent amount of it unless one of the illegals happens to work for a middle-class or upper-class Brazilian.

[Bill Keegan]

Originally Posted by Kellem

According to wiki, Spanish is the de facto second language in New Mexico, and French is in Louisiana.

De facto - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

De facto SECOND language. And teh de facto FIRST language would be......?

[majoun]

Originally Posted by John McClane

Brazil will never see a huge influx of illegal immigrants from around the around world because Brazil can not even provide a middle class lifestyle for most of it's legal citizens, let alone provide a middle class lifestyle for illegal immigrants.

Moving to Brazil because you think you will make alot of money is like moving to Russia to escape from cold weather.

That is why you have millions of Brazilians living in the U.S, Japan, and Europe. Because they don't see their country as a land of opportunity.

Brazil has only been a net sender of immigrants rather than a net reciever of immigrants for about 20-30 years.

Why did Brazil still get more immigrants from elsewhere than it sent out its own people in the 1970s? There was plenty of poverty in Brazil then and also a horrible, horrible government which was a dictatorship. Brazil became a sender rather than a destination because of the policies of said bad government, which took some time to have full effect. Something worth thinking about when it comes to the immigration situation in any country. With Brazil having a decent government now and The Economist predicting it will be the world's first major economy to return to prosperity, it is quite within the realm of possibility - or even probability - that not only will the level of inequality lessen but immigration both legal and illegal will increase.

[mainelander]

a large part of my "no" vote, is a matter of loyalty. i despise anyone white black or blue that comes here and insists they are citizens of some other country and do not care for the wellbeing of this nation.
i will welcome ANYONE that says " i am proud to be american and am loyal to it!"
that may sound jingoistic and maybe even a bit redneckish, but so what? why is america the ONLY nation that gets berated for nationalist pride?