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Old 06-19-2009, 10:19 PM
 
Location: Where laws can be ignored due to political correctness
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The votes aren't there for the Obama administration to achieve its desired immigration reform, White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs said Friday.

"We know the votes aren't there right now," Gibbs said during his daily press briefing about the congressional appetite for a comprehensive immigration reform package that would give illegal residents in the U.S. a path to citizenship.

"I think there's a seriousness in an effort, but in understanding that in 2005 and 2006 and even in 2007 there was not a majority yet to do this," Gibbs said, referencing the Bush administrations failed effort to rope in enough Republicans and centrist Democrats to pass immigration reform and a guest worker program.
The Hill’s Blog Briefing Room Ľ Gibbs: Not enough votes in Congress for immigration reform

Hmm, what factors could be behind this? A bad economy? The two wars overseas? Rising government debt? An ineffective health care system? I just can't figure it out.
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Old 06-19-2009, 11:11 PM
 
Location: Maryland
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But, I thought the majority of citizens support legalization of the 20+ million illegal aliens. I thought those opposed were simply a fringe group of miserable radicals, with nothing better to do than bash innocent illegal aliens. Who knew?
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Old 06-20-2009, 11:51 AM
 
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But, I thought the majority of citizens support legalization of the 20+ million illegal aliens. I thought those opposed were simply a fringe group of miserable radicals, with nothing better to do than bash innocent illegal aliens. Who knew?
Hmmm, so according to your logic, why doesn't congress pass a law to modify the 14th ammendment, close down the border and deport all those here illegally? Afterall, that's what the antis claim the majority of citizens want right?

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Gibbs said that the White House would make an effort, though, to win the votes for a reform plan, for which President Obama reiterated his support Friday morning.
"We want to work with those both in favor and support of those previous efforts to see where we can get comprehensive immigration reform to pass," Gibbs said.
Every piece of legislation doesn't automatically start of with 60 votes in the senate.
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Old 06-20-2009, 11:58 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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I applaud all the Representatives and Senators, that are totally against any form of Sham-nasty.
It tells me there is common ground and the majority does have some common sense, for the betterment of the nation.

Now, if they would actually get together and stimulate penalties for employee and housing illegals, and stimulate enforcement and investigation, we could have made all the spent stimulus back, in a short amount of time, they no longer would be putting a strain on our healthcare system, our public schools, and the jobs Americans could once again afford to do. That alone would stimulate this country. Then add on an import tariff, like it use to be, before the Carter years. Another tax for offshore outsourcing, and we will be hopping and dancing for a long time.
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Old 06-20-2009, 12:00 PM
 
Location: Maryland
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Hmmm, so according to your logic, why doesn't congress pass a law to modify the 14th ammendment, close down the border and deport all those here illegally? Afterall, that's what the antis claim the majority of citizens want right?



Every piece of legislation doesn't automatically start of with 60 votes in the senate.
I realize you must continue to believe this bill will pass. Hopefully your thoughts will bring you solace.
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Old 06-20-2009, 12:03 PM
 
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I realize you must continue to believe this bill will pass. Hopefully your thoughts will bring you solace.

Good comeback.
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Old 06-20-2009, 12:19 PM
 
Location: Maryland
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Good comeback.
If you have been paying attention to whatís happening in this country, you will know that the corporate elite are in charge. They employ illegal aliens, and they want illegal immigration to continue.

It is a fact that the majority of citizens want our borders secured. Only those who profit from cheap illegal labor, and illegals themselves, want our borders to remain open for any terrorist or foreign criminals to enter at will. Why would anyone in their right mind, want our borders to remain open?

It is also a fact that the majority of citizens want this illegal alien invasion to end; and ending it does not include amnesty. Why do you think each attempt to pass CIR has failed?

Keep believing what you are being fed by the illegal alien peddlers. They donít want amnesty; they want the status quo. You are being duped, and are too blinded by your desperation for the passage of the DREAM Act to even realize how youíre being played.
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Old 06-20-2009, 12:22 PM
 
Location: California
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The "carrot on a stick" approach to amnesty seems to having the desired effect on the pro illegal crowd.
In spite of Harry Reids claim of already having enough votes to get amnesty passed this year,it just isn't going to happen. And probably not next year either.

Next move........bigger carrot....

From the Left Angeles Times...


Reporting from Washington — Lawmakers will gather at the White House next week for a working session on immigration reform, a meeting that has been highly anticipated by Latino leaders eager for President Obama to honor his campaign promise to put millions of undocumented workers on a "pathway to citizenship." But many Democrats are now concluding that they may well not have the muscle to pass such a controversial measure -- at least not immediately, and possibly not until after the 2010 midterm election.

The biggest obstacle to speedy passage of a citizenship plan, according to interviews with lawmakers and Capitol Hill strategists, is the House. Democrats hold a wide majority there, but at least 40 members represent moderate or conservative swing districts with few Latino voters where legalization plans are unpopular and often derided as "amnesty" for lawbreakers.

Surveys in swing districts presented to Democratic candidates by pollster Stanley Greenberg portrayed support for legalization as a political risk.

One senior Democrat intent on acting this year is Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, who faces a reelection campaign in Nevada, where Latinos are a fast-growing constituency. He has pledged to push legislation in the fall.

Some strategists believe the most likely time to press the issue will be in 2011, when Obama, once again needing Latino votes to win states such as Florida, Colorado, New Mexico and Nevada and perhaps to compete in Texas and Arizona, will be most motivated to lobby nervous Democrats on behalf of a legalization plan.

SNIP.....
Immigration reform to get a quiet kickoff - Los Angeles Times (http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/washingtondc/la-na-obama-immigration20-2009jun20,0,240316.story?track=rss - broken link)
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Old 06-20-2009, 12:25 PM
 
Location: Ann Arbor, MI
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Hmmm, so according to your logic, why doesn't congress pass a law to modify the 14th ammendment, close down the border and deport all those here illegally? Afterall, that's what the antis claim the majority of citizens want right?



Every piece of legislation doesn't automatically start of with 60 votes in the senate.
Very true, they not even just need a majority. The rules are set so that they need to be able to stop a filibuster.
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Old 06-20-2009, 12:41 PM
 
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The "carrot on a stick" approach to amnesty seems to having the desired effect on the pro illegal crowd.
In spite of Harry Reids claim of already having enough votes to get amnesty passed this year,it just isn't going to happen. And probably not next year either.

Next move........bigger carrot....

From the Left Angeles Times...


Reporting from Washington ó Lawmakers will gather at the White House next week for a working session on immigration reform, a meeting that has been highly anticipated by Latino leaders eager for President Obama to honor his campaign promise to put millions of undocumented workers on a "pathway to citizenship." But many Democrats are now concluding that they may well not have the muscle to pass such a controversial measure -- at least not immediately, and possibly not until after the 2010 midterm election.

The biggest obstacle to speedy passage of a citizenship plan, according to interviews with lawmakers and Capitol Hill strategists, is the House. Democrats hold a wide majority there, but at least 40 members represent moderate or conservative swing districts with few Latino voters where legalization plans are unpopular and often derided as "amnesty" for lawbreakers.

Surveys in swing districts presented to Democratic candidates by pollster Stanley Greenberg portrayed support for legalization as a political risk.

One senior Democrat intent on acting this year is Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, who faces a reelection campaign in Nevada, where Latinos are a fast-growing constituency. He has pledged to push legislation in the fall.

Some strategists believe the most likely time to press the issue will be in 2011, when Obama, once again needing Latino votes to win states such as Florida, Colorado, New Mexico and Nevada and perhaps to compete in Texas and Arizona, will be most motivated to lobby nervous Democrats on behalf of a legalization plan.

SNIP.....
Immigration reform to get a quiet kickoff - Los Angeles Times (http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/washingtondc/la-na-obama-immigration20-2009jun20,0,240316.story?track=rss - broken link)
Yep, politicians realize it would be political suicide to push for amnesty; so they will continue to feed the sheeple what they need for re-election. I really donít know what it will take for the pro-illegals to realize they are being deceived. Politicians do what will benefit them; and advocating amnesty for millions of illegal aliens, while we have double-digit unemployment rates, and in excess of 14 million unemployed citizens, would be a huge slap in the face of citizens of this country.

Illegals have been coddled so long they have actually begun to believe they are special. They donít realize they are mere pawns being used by the profiteers. They simply want to keep their money-making machines happy and hopeful for the coveted ďpath to citizenship.Ē
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