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And it's not even that you can't have compassion and sympathy for some of these people. It's just that throwing open the borders and having no immigration laws while maintaining a very generous welfare system, free health care for all, free education -- at $12,000 per child per year is simply not feasible.
People will bring up "compromise" but what would be a reasonable "compromise"? Amnesty for anyone who makes it over the border while amnesty is being brought up for discussion so they'll be here when it's given out?
Or amnesty for those who came in illegally 2 years or more ago but not for those who worked here for 5 years but stepped out of the country a month ago and now want to come back and claim it?
Or amnesty for all those who gave birth here but not to those who didn't?
And what of all those would be legal immigrants who are patiently waiting - but instead amnesty is handed out and the family reunification begins, the would be legal immigrants could be shut out forever.
I don't really see any fair amnesty -- we can't let the whole world come to get in on it, rewarding those who get here illegally and shutting the door on those who would obey the laws isn't right. Those who come to use the welfare programs by having kids would have dibs on this country over those who are hard workers who really don't ask a dime they didn't work to have.
And no amnesty is fair to the unemployed Americans who need some kind of job.
I don't hate all illegals - but I don't see amnesty as the way to go. There are illegals right now who if it were announced that they can forget amnesty would be on the next bus home, joining their families again and restarting their lives in Mexico. They'll hang on -- believing that amnesty is just around the corner while their children wish they could see their parents again.
VERY thoughtful post....and I agree. Some years ago, economist Milton Friedman said words to the effect that "You can't have open borders AND a welfare State"...which one would THINK would be plain common sense...yet it doesn't seem to 'sink in' to our politicians.
Thanks, though, for re-stating what SHOULD be obvious. It has nothing to do with 'hating' or even 'disliking' people....the fact is, you can't have ANYTHING of value, or anything worthwhile, if you refuse to lock your doors.
VERY thoughtful post....and I agree. Some years ago, economist Milton Friedman said words to the effect that "You can't have open borders AND a welfare State"...which one would THINK would be plain common sense...yet it doesn't seem to 'sink in' to our politicians.
Thanks, though, for re-stating what SHOULD be obvious. It has nothing to do with 'hating' or even 'disliking' people....the fact is, you can't have ANYTHING of value, or anything worthwhile, if you refuse to lock your doors.
And Friedman is 100% correct.
New Zealand, the Scandinavian countries, etc. all have strict policies concerning immigration in juxtaposition to their generous social welfare nets.
VERY thoughtful post....and I agree. Some years ago, economist Milton Friedman said words to the effect that "You can't have open borders AND a welfare State"...which one would THINK would be plain common sense...yet it doesn't seem to 'sink in' to our politicians.
Thanks, though, for re-stating what SHOULD be obvious. It has nothing to do with 'hating' or even 'disliking' people....the fact is, you can't have ANYTHING of value, or anything worthwhile, if you refuse to lock your doors.
That’s absolutely true. It’s the perfect economic storm. . . . a recipe for disaster for ANY country. There is no country in the entire world capable of sustaining unabated massive illegal immigration, coupled with massive government handouts. Why wouldn’t every unskilled and uneducated foreigner aspire to live in a country so generous with taxpayers’ money? Why not come here and enjoy the freebies, and have babies to collect more freebies?
We give them “free” maternity care, with “free” WIC; “free” food stamps; “free” K-12 education with “free” ESL classes, and “free” breakfast/lunch; “free” ER visits; almost “free” housing; “free” legal representation if they should happen to rob, rape, or murder; “free” organ transplants (sometimes multiple), while citizens languish on waiting lists; “free” dialysis; and if they are seriously injured, “free” extensive medical treatment to the tune of $2 million.
What country would offer all of these freebies to illegal aliens, if not to entice them to stay; and if not to encourage others to come? What better way to ensure a continuous crop of cheap labor to help the corporate elite compete in this greed-infested global economy?
That’s absolutely true. It’s the perfect economic storm. . . . a recipe for disaster for ANY country. There is no country in the entire world capable of sustaining unabated massive illegal immigration, coupled with massive government handouts. Why wouldn’t every unskilled and uneducated foreigner aspire to live in a country so generous with taxpayers’ money? Why not come here and enjoy the freebies, and have babies to collect more freebies?
We give them “free” maternity care, with “free” WIC; “free” food stamps; “free” K-12 education with “free” ESL classes, and “free” breakfast/lunch; “free” ER visits; almost “free” housing; “free” legal representation if they should happen to rob, rape, or murder; “free” organ transplants (sometimes multiple), while citizens languish on waiting lists; “free” dialysis; and if they are seriously injured, “free” extensive medical treatment to the tune of $2 million.
What country would offer all of these freebies to illegal aliens, if not to entice them to stay; and if not to encourage others to come? What better way to ensure a continuous crop of cheap labor to help the corporate elite compete in this greed-infested global economy?
Bravo! Benicar, I would rep you all day every day if I could.
What better way to ensure a continuous crop of cheap labor to help the corporate elite compete in this greed-infested global economy?
That one statement alone, says it all!
There has always been a global economy. What we have now, is a free and open global economy. We didn't always have that, because the leaders of our great nation, long ago, knew in order to build this country greater, we needed to be self sufficient. We had high tariffs, placed on imports and anything that could be produced here on American soil, so we didn't become reliant on anyone but us.
Who was it that got rid of tariffs?
On a side note...
Is it really legal for a non-American, to buy American soil??
Non-Americans that own businesses on American soil??? Hmmm? Where is that money going?
I'm in the middle. I think if they come here to work, we could give them (illegals) some time to get their papers (say, a 60-90 days period, for example) so they can stay. But if they are here to commit crimes, have "anchor babies", get away with their illegal status, they have to go ASAP.
Opposing 100% to immigrants (even if they're legal) goes against with our culture; that was founded on many cultures. Closing the doors to outsiders is wrong, but if they're not willing to stay here legally, they have to go.
And most importantly: NO PAPERS, NO SUBSIDES!
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