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Old 07-01-2009, 07:15 AM
 
Location: Sonoita
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Old 07-01-2009, 08:25 AM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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Arizona Senate OKs Immigration Enforcement Bill Arizona Senate OKs immigration enforcement bill - Yahoo! News (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090701/ap_on_re_us/us_xgr_immigration_enforcement - broken link)
Bill was defeated.
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Old 07-01-2009, 01:28 PM
 
Location: Ann Arbor, MI
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Nice to hear that there are still politicians with common sense in Arizona. That bill was ridiculous.
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Old 07-01-2009, 02:00 PM
 
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Nice to hear that there are still politicians with common sense in Arizona. That bill was ridiculous.
What was ridiculous about it?
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Old 07-01-2009, 02:10 PM
 
Location: Ann Arbor, MI
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What was ridiculous about it?
It misused the trespassing law, and turned their local law enforcement into ICE. Regular law enforcement are generally not trained in immigration law, this would open the door to civil suits against the cities who's those officers belong to. Too bad that immigration issues are not tried in criminal courtroom, otherwise, this would also open the door for double jeopardy on some cases due to untrained officers. They already have a hard enough time trying to get criminal cases to stick without having to worry about doing ICE's job.
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Old 07-01-2009, 02:15 PM
 
Location: Lake Norman, North Carolina
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Nice to hear that there are still politicians with common sense in Arizona. That bill was ridiculous.
Yeah it was ridiculous, but only from the standpoint of illegal mexican enableization? You know, anything, that doesn't enable illegal mexicans to continue to stay in the country illegally is ridiculous?
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Old 07-01-2009, 02:34 PM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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It misused the trespassing law, and turned their local law enforcement into ICE. Regular law enforcement are generally not trained in immigration law, this would open the door to civil suits against the cities who's those officers belong to. Too bad that immigration issues are not tried in criminal courtroom, otherwise, this would also open the door for double jeopardy on some cases due to untrained officers. They already have a hard enough time trying to get criminal cases to stick without having to worry about doing ICE's job.
Regular LEO's are sworn to uphold the law----------and, that applies to taking down illegal aliens as well--------if the stupids in Wash DC woke up.
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Old 07-01-2009, 02:45 PM
 
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It misused the trespassing law, and turned their local law enforcement into ICE. Regular law enforcement are generally not trained in immigration law, this would open the door to civil suits against the cities who's those officers belong to. Too bad that immigration issues are not tried in criminal courtroom, otherwise, this would also open the door for double jeopardy on some cases due to untrained officers. They already have a hard enough time trying to get criminal cases to stick without having to worry about doing ICE's job.
Who says they can't be trained? LEOs should be trained to deal with trespassing illegals. Why not? I understand that the mere thought of a civil suit against a city that tries to remain a decent place to live for it's citizens fills your heart with unbridled joy, but realistically no US citizen should have to put up with this crap. The US is not some flophouse. And frankly, I would prefer to have my tax dollars go towards additional training for LEOs rather than be wasted providing 'free clinics' or some other benefit to illegals.
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Old 07-01-2009, 02:51 PM
 
Location: Maryland
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Who says they can't be trained? LEOs should be trained to deal with trespassing illegals. Why not? I understand that the mere thought of a civil suit against a city that tries to remain a decent place to live for it's citizens fills your heart with unbridled joy, but realistically no US citizen should have to put up with this crap. The US is not some flophouse. And frankly, I would prefer to have my tax dollars go towards additional training for LEOs rather than be wasted providing 'free clinics' or some other benefit to illegals.
Absolutely! Many jurisdictions have enacted 287(g) with great success. I see no reason why it couldn’t be used in Arizona to tackle this invasion. They are indeed trespassers.
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Old 07-01-2009, 03:00 PM
 
Location: Lake Norman, North Carolina
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It misused the trespassing law, and turned their local law enforcement into ICE. Regular law enforcement are generally not trained in immigration law, this would open the door to civil suits against the cities who's those officers belong to. Too bad that immigration issues are not tried in criminal courtroom, otherwise, this would also open the door for double jeopardy on some cases due to untrained officers. They already have a hard enough time trying to get criminal cases to stick without having to worry about doing ICE's job.
It just gives the State the right to do the job that ICE can't seem to get around to do. With only 100 to 200 deportation every other day nationwide, that's all the ruling elites will allow to be deported, it looks like ICE needs a little help. After all, it's not rocket science, it's just kicking illegal mexicans out of the country. So the State botches a few deportations in it's attempt to kick out illegal mexicans, so what, they'd still be deportation attempts that ICE would never get around to.
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