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Old 01-09-2012, 03:23 PM
 
Location: California
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In any universe where those who pay taxes - the residents - have equal rights to the services paid for with those taxes. There is no subsidy. Simply the same treatment of all residents.

In many states the pecking order is established by the skills present to do college level work.
You confuse a "service" such as police or fire, with a sub-sidized "privilege".
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Old 01-09-2012, 04:43 PM
 
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In any universe where those who pay taxes - the residents - have equal rights to the services paid for with those taxes. There is no subsidy. Simply the same treatment of all legal residents.

In many states the pecking order is established by the skills present to do college level work.
There. I fixed that for you.

Just because I occupy space in a given state doesn't make me a legal resident. What's more, in-state tuition is much lower because it, in effect, is a subsidy. Out-of-state students pick up the slack with higher tuitions.
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Old 01-16-2012, 10:54 PM
 
Location: somewhere in the woods
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Wisconsin Becomes 11th State to Offer In-state Tuition to Undocumented Students (http://diverseeducation.com/artman/publish/article_12691.shtml - broken link)

More states soon to follow.

more wasted taxpayer money.
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Old 01-16-2012, 11:38 PM
 
Location: Phoenix
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In any universe where those who pay taxes - the residents - have equal rights to the services paid for with those taxes. There is no subsidy. Simply the same treatment of all residents.

In many states the pecking order is established by the skills present to do college level work.
I think ill challenge that one. Illegals don't pay taxes. Just because you decide
to reside somewhere doesn't make you have the same rights as the people who
belong there.

Illegals, by thier very nature don't pay taxes, unless you call sales taxes 'Paying
taxes'. the pecking order, as you so quaintly put it, doesn't really have anything
to do with it. Illegal is Illegal any way you look at it.

Just my opinion here, but, no one is going to hire someone with no legal status
degree or not. That would only happen in a dream universe.
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Old 01-17-2012, 10:42 AM
 
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I think ill challenge that one. Illegals don't pay taxes. Just because you decide
to reside somewhere doesn't make you have the same rights as the people who
belong there.

Illegals, by thier very nature don't pay taxes, unless you call sales taxes 'Paying
taxes'. the pecking order, as you so quaintly put it, doesn't really have anything
to do with it. Illegal is Illegal any way you look at it.

Just my opinion here, but, no one is going to hire someone with no legal status
degree or not. That would only happen in a dream universe.
Well yes illegals pay taxes. Those on legal payrolls even have tax witheld and pay FICA etc. Those working off the books pay all taxes but those derived from income. And some may even pay those against an ITIN. Note that for low paid workers it is doubtful they have any income tax liability.

Pecking order indicates merit. Almost all of the DREAMies will end up legal in the end. So it is more a question of whether it is done through a formal procedure or each by each.
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Old 01-17-2012, 11:33 AM
 
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Well yes illegals pay taxes. Those on legal payrolls even have tax witheld and pay FICA etc. Those working off the books pay all taxes but those derived from income. And some may even pay those against an ITIN. Note that for low paid workers it is doubtful they have any income tax liability.

Pecking order indicates merit. Almost all of the DREAMies will end up legal in the end. So it is more a question of whether it is done through a formal procedure or each by each.
The only merit here is being especially good at dodging the INS.

You seem to think this is a fait accompli. The Dream Act (Which is essentially an abrogation of existing immigration laws design to protect the working class of this country) has proved extraordinarily unpopular whenever it has been couched, and for good reason.
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Old 01-17-2012, 11:43 AM
 
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Why are we educating foreigners to take American jobs? What kind of lunacy is this??

They are not even Americans
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Old 01-17-2012, 11:53 AM
 
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Why are we educating foreigners to take American jobs? What kind of lunacy is this??

They are not even Americans
Of course they are. They reside in America and most are culturally American.

They are certainly not citizens and are deportable...but they are Americans.
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Old 01-17-2012, 02:56 PM
 
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Of course they are. They reside in America and most are culturally American.

They are certainly not citizens and are deportable...but they are Americans.
No they are not. They are Mexicans or Nicaraguans or Chinese or Irish or Indian or wherever else they were born. Sneaking over the border and establishing an address in America where your mail arrives does not make you an American. By law, you are either born here or you became a naturalized citizens. Those two criteria make you American, not watching Dancing with the Stars or shopping at Gap.
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Old 01-17-2012, 03:27 PM
 
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No they are not. They are Mexicans or Nicaraguans or Chinese or Irish or Indian or wherever else they were born. Sneaking over the border and establishing an address in America where your mail arrives does not make you an American. By law, you are either born here or you became a naturalized citizens. Those two criteria make you American, not watching Dancing with the Stars or shopping at Gap.
Excellent and truthful post. If you don't have citizenship papers then you are not an American, period.
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