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07-05-2009, 08:59 AM
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Originally Posted by andreabeth
Being kind and compassionate and sympathetic is exactly what has gotten us into the mess we are in today. How do you think we ended up with 12+ million illegals?
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We got into this mess by being concerned with stupid hot button social issues like abortion and gay marriage and Monica Lewinsky throughout the 80s and 90s. Illegal immigration was largely ignored on a national scale. Where were the MinuteMen ten years ago, before the government had found a new way to distract the people with yet another contentious issue?
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The US is dealing with a group of people who when given an inch, will take a mile. Each time, every time. You cannot possibly think that if we let this guy stay, we then won't end up having to let a whole bunch of other illegals stay, do you? After all, if we let him stay we can let them stay, too. Why not?
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It used to be reasonably common practice for private bills granting citizenship to be passed in congress. This young man has a lot to offer the United States, he has proven so already. This can be dealt with on a case-by-case basis. I still think his parents should be dealt with, but he shouldn't feel the brunt of it.
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Originally Posted by andreabeth
He is 23 years old, for the love of Pete. He should be repatriated to Argentina and if he wishes to return to the US, he can apply through the legal channels. Just like everybody else is expected to do.
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You try being deported to a culture you can't relate to, away from friends and family and the future you were trying to build. Also, applying through the legal channels means he might not see his real home for 10+ years. I don't think that's a fair option at all. It's obviously cruel and placing incredible hardship on him. He has been raised as an American and he is a bright, smart guy. We need more of those types among us, wherever they are from, and fewer high school dropouts and kids who want to work at Walmart for the rest of their lives.
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07-05-2009, 09:29 AM
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Originally Posted by evil leftist dogma
We got into this mess by being concerned with stupid hot button social issues like abortion and gay marriage and Monica Lewinsky throughout the 80s and 90s. Illegal immigration was largely ignored on a national scale. Where were the MinuteMen ten years ago, before the government had found a new way to distract the people with yet another contentious issue?
It used to be reasonably common practice for private bills granting citizenship to be passed in congress. This young man has a lot to offer the United States, he has proven so already. This can be dealt with on a case-by-case basis. I still think his parents should be dealt with, but he shouldn't feel the brunt of it.
You try being deported to a culture you can't relate to, away from friends and family and the future you were trying to build. Also, applying through the legal channels means he might not see his real home for 10+ years. I don't think that's a fair option at all. It's obviously cruel and placing incredible hardship on him. He has been raised as an American and he is a bright, smart guy. We need more of those types among us, wherever they are from, and fewer high school dropouts and kids who want to work at Walmart for the rest of their lives.
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Nobody goves a damn what you think is fair or not. Our immigration is way to damn liberal as it is. Look at you. We have to continually put up with people like you who immigrate here.
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07-05-2009, 09:37 AM
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Nobody goves a damn what you think is fair or not. Our immigration is way to damn liberal as it is. Look at you. We have to continually put up with people like you who immigrate here.
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Sorry that your education system doesn't pump out enough healthcare professionals to take care of your aging population.
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07-05-2009, 09:42 AM
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Sorry that your education system doesn't pump out enough healthcare professionals to take care of your aging population.
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Your off topic again. 
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07-05-2009, 09:46 AM
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Your off topic again. 
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I'm sure if you could deport me for it, you would.
Also it's not off topic. Apparently having compassionate health care professionals from other countries serving your population is a bad thing? And proof that immigration laws are "too liberal"?
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07-05-2009, 09:50 AM
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I'm sure if you could deport me for it, you would.
Also it's not off topic. Apparently having compassionate health care professionals from other countries serving your population is a bad thing? And proof that immigration laws are "too liberal"?
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Deport?  ,,No.......Report?..Yes 
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07-05-2009, 09:55 AM
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Deport?  ,,No.......Report?..Yes 
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A backseat border guard, now a backseat mod. You're making far more superfluous posts than I, my friend.
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07-05-2009, 10:01 AM
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Originally Posted by evil leftist dogma
We got into this mess by being concerned with stupid hot button social issues like abortion and gay marriage and Monica Lewinsky throughout the 80s and 90s. Illegal immigration was largely ignored on a national scale. Where were the MinuteMen ten years ago, before the government had found a new way to distract the people with yet another contentious issue?
It used to be reasonably common practice for private bills granting citizenship to be passed in congress. This young man has a lot to offer the United States, he has proven so already. This can be dealt with on a case-by-case basis. I still think his parents should be dealt with, but he shouldn't feel the brunt of it.
You try being deported to a culture you can't relate to, away from friends and family and the future you were trying to build. Also, applying through the legal channels means he might not see his real home for 10+ years. I don't think that's a fair option at all. It's obviously cruel and placing incredible hardship on him. He has been raised as an American and he is a bright, smart guy. We need more of those types among us, wherever they are from, and fewer high school dropouts and kids who want to work at Walmart for the rest of their lives.
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Oh please.
Argentina has a culture this student could never relate to? His parents are from there for goodness sakes, he IS familiar with that culture.
Age 23 is a great age to study in foreign countries, even more so when that foreign country is your own country. Look at American students who eagerly go off to study in Latin American countries, wanting to broaden their horizons. Yet you're claiming that a citizen from Argentina cannot adapt at all to the culture and country of his own family????? That's beyond absurd.
I was younger than that when I went to study in Mexico. It was a great experience.
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07-05-2009, 10:04 AM
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A backseat border guard, now a backseat mod. You're making far more superfluous posts than I, my friend.
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This I will say: I am a Moderator on another Forum and the likes of you would have received a Warning from me already.
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07-05-2009, 10:05 AM
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And how does this closed-minded little Argentinian know that Argentina has a culture he could never relate to if he doesn't try it? Does he hate people in Argentina? Does he hate their culture? Their lifestyle? How does he know he hates it and could never relate to them?
Your side needs to give up the drama queen arguments.
What if this student returns home and goes to a university in his home country and he finds he loves it there? Many Americans study abroad and they adapt, they thrive, they come back with fond memories of those countries. He can't know until he gives it a chance.
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