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In the SW and in Mexico it was Mexican settlers that did all that to them.
And one thing Mexicans demanded after the Texas War of Independence was that the USA do something to stop the Comanches from making raids into Mexico. The Comanches terrorized Mexicans, one reason not many Mexicans would move into their northern territories.
Wait... WHAT????????? American Indians have a much better chance at success here????
They were living fine and successful for centuries and within a short time American settlers and later the US government completely destroyed their way of life and society while wiping out hundreds of thousands of them. And now you are talking about their "chances of success" !!!!!!!
And who's rule they would "prefer to be under." !!!!!
That post was so absurd on so many levels I don't even know where to begin.
Moot points all.
Our American Indians are essentially 'Anglo' in their culture today and besides; precious few are even 'fullblood' Comanche, Navajo, etc. as it is.
Assuming there was such a thing as a 'prime directive' AKA returning things to the pre 1492 status quo----------such would mandate removing all indigenous people from the USA since they are all now 'tainted' by Euro, Aztec, etc. culture/DNA, etc.
Our American Indians are essentially 'Anglo' in their culture today and besides; precious few are even 'fullblood' Comanche, Navajo, etc. as it is.
Assuming there was such a thing as a 'prime directive' AKA returning things to the pre 1492 status quo----------such would mandate removing all indigenous people from the USA since they are all now 'tainted' by Euro, Aztec, etc. culture/DNA, etc.
Moot points? I PUT QUOTES AROUND YOUR WORDS. I was trying to state that to say that a group that suffers from social-ills, addiction, mental illness, and an array of other social-ills at a rate much higher than any other group has a better chance at success here is the biggest catch-22 type statement I have ever heard. Many Indian communities are in the shape that they are in because the US government relegated them to 2nd class citizen status. Starting in the late 1800's there were government programs started that targetted "resistent" Indian families. Children were torn away from their parents, their hair was cut off, they were given a bible, given an Anglo name, and if they were caught speaking their language they were beaten. They are a subjugated people, beaten back by the US government and now they need to achieve success by US standards? WOW...Many American Indians are of mixed blood BECAUSE they were forced to live American. They were the subjects of the biggest social engineering project ever attempted. That does not mean that their respective cultures are MOOT, as you say. I know returning things to pre-1492 status would never happen and I never suggested that it be attempted.
Moot points? I PUT QUOTES AROUND YOUR WORDS. I was trying to state that to say that a group that suffers from social-ills, addiction, mental illness, and an array of other social-ills at a rate much higher than any other group has a better chance at success here is the biggest catch-22 type statement I have ever heard. Many Indian communities are in the shape that they are in because the US government relegated them to 2nd class citizen status. Starting in the late 1800's there were government programs started that targetted "resistent" Indian families. Children were torn away from their parents, their hair was cut off, they were given a bible, given an Anglo name, and if they were caught speaking their language they were beaten. They are a subjugated people, beaten back by the US government and now they need to achieve success by US standards? WOW...Many American Indians are of mixed blood BECAUSE they were forced to live American. They were the subjects of the biggest social engineering project ever attempted. That does not mean that their respective cultures are MOOT, as you say. I know returning things to pre-1492 status would never happen and I never suggested that it be attempted.
Frankly; what you outlined has happened to many cultures throughout history. Hell; even the Irish come to mind courtesy of the English. And, the English were under Latin (Roman) control till ca. AD 400.
I am not saying it is right, but, what you just described is Darwinism at its crudest. Survival of the fittest.
Besides: the Hispanics did a 'fabulous' job in subjugating the Aztecs----------to the point that today's Mestizo Mexicans fiercely embrace the now archaic culture of the White conquistador. As in the Spanish language and many other traits.
Frankly; what you outlined has happened to many cultures throughout history. Hell; even the Irish come to mind courtesy of the English. And, the English were under Latin (Roman) control till ca. AD 400.
I am not saying it is right, but, what you just described is Darwinism at its crudest. Survival of the fittest.
Besides: the Hispanics did a 'fabulous' job in subjugating the Aztecs----------to the point that today's Mestizo Mexicans fiercely embrace the now archaic culture of the White conquistador. As in the Spanish language and many other traits.
Sure the Spanish did a "fabulous" job; they did in 10 years what the US did in a 100 but I wouldn't exactly call it survival of the fittest. And yes, it is part of our human history: one people conquering another. But where the US-Indian situation is different is that after the US completes it's objective it feels guilty or is pressured into feeling that way. It then sets up Indian reservations as a lame attempt to justify or rationalize it's actions; where as any other conquered people are just swallowed up and integrated into the conquerer's system. Now the US provides welfare and other social programs to attempt to help these people who suffer from social-ills due to their 2nd class citizen status and now become dependant on these same programs for survival. The subjugation continues. Instead of Darwinism I think I would call it a catastrophe.
Moot points? I PUT QUOTES AROUND YOUR WORDS. I was trying to state that to say that a group that suffers from social-ills, addiction, mental illness, and an array of other social-ills at a rate much higher than any other group has a better chance at success here is the biggest catch-22 type statement I have ever heard. Many Indian communities are in the shape that they are in because the US government relegated them to 2nd class citizen status. Starting in the late 1800's there were government programs started that targetted "resistent" Indian families. Children were torn away from their parents, their hair was cut off, they were given a bible, given an Anglo name, and if they were caught speaking their language they were beaten. They are a subjugated people, beaten back by the US government and now they need to achieve success by US standards? WOW...Many American Indians are of mixed blood BECAUSE they were forced to live American. They were the subjects of the biggest social engineering project ever attempted. That does not mean that their respective cultures are MOOT, as you say. I know returning things to pre-1492 status would never happen and I never suggested that it be attempted.
Oh we cut their hair off..... the Mexicans were cutting the feet off of Indians in order to subdue them. Do you know that's why the statues of your Don Juan de Onate are vandalized with his feet sawed off?
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