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Old 02-01-2010, 12:31 PM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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No it's not because of that. You're just a xenophobe for all the other ridiculous things (no ESL, claiming people's culture are inherently inferior) the standard things you post...
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See, this makes you a xenophobe.
Bottom line: if a bunch of potential (legal) immigrants don't like that attitude--------no one is holding a gun to their heads telling them to come here otherwise
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Old 02-01-2010, 12:56 PM
 
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Bottom line: if a bunch of potential (legal) immigrants don't like that attitude--------no one is holding a gun to their heads telling them to come here otherwise
I can't imagine any potential legal immigrant thinking that Americans being opposed to ILLEGAL immigration or that Americans expecting new immigrants to assimilate while still retaining their native culture at home if they so choose or claiming that Americans think they are superior for holding such views, do you? English immersion works according to the various studies. If we agree to allow a legal immigrant to come here we should have an understanding upfront that they should know some English and will be immersed to gain control of the English language or that they will have to pay for ESL classes themselves. I see no fear of strangers in the above scenario aka "xenophobia".
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Old 02-01-2010, 01:06 PM
 
Location: CITY OF ANGELS AND CONSTANT DANGER
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right AZ, and these blatant lies in the OP arent desperate.

its hard to discuss or debate when people blindly believe idiot chain letters.

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Methinks the pro illegal alien apologists are becoming ever more desperate judging by their posts. Let them ramble on; they are the 'canary in the coal mine' of growing hostility towards any sort of amnesty
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Old 02-01-2010, 01:14 PM
 
Location: CITY OF ANGELS AND CONSTANT DANGER
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ohhh man, now you sound as silly as the santa clarita councilmen who proclaimed being a proud racist. its better to confront the issue at hand and ensure people know you are not a racist or xenophobe.

thats like saying "if liking to shop at gap kids makes me a child molestor, then I AM!"

i would never want to associate myself with racism or molestation.
its quite easy to dispute these charges and make the person accusing you of such understand that you arent a racist, and that your particluar brand of thought isnt racist, or in this case xenophobic. if you truly stand by your ideals, then its easy to dispute peoples erroneous beleifs about you. agreeing with someone because its easy is counterproductive. i would think you were smarter than that. thats s.clarita councilmen? not so sure.

a person agreeing with an idiot makes them as much an idiot.

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If being against illegal immigration makes me a xenophobe------------I carry that label with pride!
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Old 02-01-2010, 01:45 PM
 
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ohhh man, now you sound as silly as the santa clarita councilmen who proclaimed being a proud racist. its better to confront the issue at hand and ensure people know you are not a racist or xenophobe.

thats like saying "if liking to shop at gap kids makes me a child molestor, then I AM!"

i would never want to associate myself with racism or molestation.
its quite easy to dispute these charges and make the person accusing you of such understand that you arent a racist, and that your particluar brand of thought isnt racist, or in this case xenophobic. if you truly stand by your ideals, then its easy to dispute peoples erroneous beleifs about you. agreeing with someone because its easy is counterproductive. i would think you were smarter than that. thats s.clarita councilmen? not so sure.

a person agreeing with an idiot makes them as much an idiot.
No, your problem is not acknowledging sarcasm when you see it. I am sure that it was selective though so you could go on the personal attack instead.
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Old 02-01-2010, 02:05 PM
 
Location: CITY OF ANGELS AND CONSTANT DANGER
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he can answer for himself. i dont think he was being sarcastic.
and there was no personal attack deary.

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No, your problem is not acknowledging sarcasm when you see it. I am sure that it was selective though so you could go on the personal attack instead.
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Old 02-01-2010, 02:08 PM
 
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he can answer for himself. i dont think he was being sarcastic.
and there was no personal attack deary.
Yes, he can. But since it was so obvious to me that it was sarcasm which you selectively ignored, I felt the need to speak up. I think many of the things you said to him and about him were uncivil, just MO.
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Old 02-01-2010, 02:09 PM
 
Location: US
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Here is what I got in my inbox today along the same lines.


This is REAL! Alive and growing in every state... Especially CA...

~~~~~~~~~~

Joe Legal vs. Jose Illegal



Here is an example of why hiring illegal aliens is not economically
productive for the State of California...

You have 2 families..."Joe Legal" and "Jose Illegal".

Both families have 2 parents, 2 children and live in California.

"Joe Legal" Works in construction, has a Social Security Number, and
makes $25.00 per hour with payroll taxes deducted...

"Jose Illegal" Also works in construction, has "NO" Social Security
Number, and gets paid $15.00 cash "under the table".

Joe Legal...$25.00 per hour x 40 hours, $1000.00 per week, $52,000 per
year, now take 30% away for state federal tax,

Joe Legal now has $31,231.00

Jose Illegal...$15.00 per hour x 40 hours, $600.00 per week, $31,200.00
per year

Jose Illegal pays no taxes...

Jose Illegal now has $31,200.00

Joe Legal pays Medical and Dental Insurance with limited coverage,
$1000.00 per month $12,000.00 per year,

Joe Legal now has $19,231.00

Jose Illegal has full Medical and Dental coverage through the state and
local clinics at a cost of $0.00 per year

Jose Illegal still has $31,200.00

Joe Legal makes too much money is not eligible for Food Stamps or
welfare

Joe Legal pays for food, $1,000.00 per month, $12,000.00 per year

Joe Legal now has $7,231.00

Jose Illegal has no documented income and is eligible for Food Stamps
and Welfare

Jose Illegal still has $31,200.00

Joe Legal pays rent of $1,000..00 per month, $12,000.00 per year

Joe Legal is now in the hole, minus (-) $4,769.00

Jose Illegal receives a $500 per month Federal rent subsidy

Jose Illegal pays rent $500.00 per month, $6,000.00 per year

Jose Illegal still has $25,200.00

Joe Legal now works overtime on Saturdays or gets a part time job after
work.

Jose Illegal has nights and weekends off to enjoy with his family.

Joe Legal's and Jose Illegal's children both attend the same school.

Joe Legal pays for his children's lunches while:

Jose Illegal's children get a government sponsored lunch.

Jose Illegal's children have an after school ESL program.

Joe Legal's children go home.

Joe Legal and Jose Illegal both enjoy the same Police and Fire Services,
but Joe paid for them and Jose did not pay.


THIS IS NOT A PARTY ISSUE: IT'S A COMMON SENSE ISSUE.....

Don't vote OR support any politician that supports illegal aliens...

Make it a point to know how your representative votes, State and
Federal.....

It's PAST time to take a stand for America and Americans!



Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
Caveats: NONE
So we should have pity on Joe?

There are many illegal immigrants who still pay taxes.

Not all of them get payed cash. Just FYI!

You've never been under the circumstances of most of these people that is why you honestly don't understand. We ALL have problems, yes, but if you were a day in there shoes then you realize it is not easy!

And your probably going to say that why do you have to pay? Life is not fair. Deal with it.

I agree on you to some extent but if they were legal then we would have the above problem.

They might cause other problems but i completely disagree with the above.
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Old 02-01-2010, 02:18 PM
 
Location: US
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Of all those, this pisses me off the most.
This is so much BS. When my gf's family can't even afford to get medical insurance, oh and U.S. citizens at that, and those effer's are popping out babies left and right. Ugh. At least if you are gonna let them over with no repercussions force their effin arses to take birth control or force then to have effing abortions. After all most of them will grow up to be criminals anyways and have no significance to society.
Criminals?

Criminals are born from anyone you could be white, black purple or whatever.

Regardless there will be criminals in the US! and no significance to society?

What are you doing that's so great? What's your significance to this society?

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Old 02-01-2010, 02:49 PM
 
Location: Maryland
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So we should have pity on Joe?

There are many illegal immigrants who still pay taxes.

Not all of them get payed cash. Just FYI!

You've never been under the circumstances of most of these people that is why you honestly don't understand. We ALL have problems, yes, but if you were a day in there shoes then you realize it is not easy!

And your probably going to say that why do you have to pay? Life is not fair. Deal with it.

I agree on you to some extent but if they were legal then we would have the above problem.

They might cause other problems but i completely disagree with the above.
Yes, I do pity displaced and unemployed U.S. citizens due to illegal immigration. You pity illegal aliens, don’t you?

Illegal aliens are ineligible to work in this country. Those who do are guilty of ID theft, fraud, and tax evasion. If they are paying taxes, they are fraudulently using either a stolen or fake SSN. Again, criminal behavior.

We have millions of poor and disadvantaged U.S. citizens who do not rely on lying, cheating, and stealing to provide for their families. Why should we make an exception for illegal aliens?

You are right. Life is not fair. As such, illegal aliens need to “deal with it” and return to their countries of origin. We are not obligated to be their savior.

You don’t have to “agree with” the financial burden illegal immigration has created for this country for it to be true. Even the CA government now realizes they can no longer deny the tremendous burden illegals have had on their state. They are bankrupting this entire country, and your denial does not alter this fact. Have you researched the costs incurred by states? Have you researched the hospital closures due to illegal immigration? What about the costs for incarcerating illegal alien convicted criminals? They are staggering.
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