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Old 07-06-2009, 02:54 PM
 
Location: Little Pond Farm
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This is REAL! Alive and growing in every state... Especially CA...

~~~~~~~~~~

Joe Legal vs. Jose Illegal



Here is an example of why hiring illegal aliens is not economically
productive for the State of California...

You have 2 families..."Joe Legal" and "Jose Illegal".

Both families have 2 parents, 2 children and live in California.

"Joe Legal" Works in construction, has a Social Security Number, and
makes $25.00 per hour with payroll taxes deducted...

"Jose Illegal" Also works in construction, has "NO" Social Security
Number, and gets paid $15.00 cash "under the table".

Joe Legal...$25.00 per hour x 40 hours, $1000.00 per week, $52,000 per
year, now take 30% away for state federal tax,

Joe Legal now has $31,231.00

Jose Illegal...$15.00 per hour x 40 hours, $600.00 per week, $31,200.00
per year

Jose Illegal pays no taxes...

Jose Illegal now has $31,200.00

Joe Legal pays Medical and Dental Insurance with limited coverage,
$1000.00 per month $12,000.00 per year,

Joe Legal now has $19,231.00

Jose Illegal has full Medical and Dental coverage through the state and
local clinics at a cost of $0.00 per year

Jose Illegal still has $31,200.00

Joe Legal makes too much money is not eligible for Food Stamps or
welfare

Joe Legal pays for food, $1,000.00 per month, $12,000.00 per year

Joe Legal now has $7,231.00

Jose Illegal has no documented income and is eligible for Food Stamps
and Welfare

Jose Illegal still has $31,200.00

Joe Legal pays rent of $1,000..00 per month, $12,000.00 per year

Joe Legal is now in the hole, minus (-) $4,769.00

Jose Illegal receives a $500 per month Federal rent subsidy

Jose Illegal pays rent $500.00 per month, $6,000.00 per year

Jose Illegal still has $25,200.00

Joe Legal now works overtime on Saturdays or gets a part time job after
work.

Jose Illegal has nights and weekends off to enjoy with his family.

Joe Legal's and Jose Illegal's children both attend the same school.

Joe Legal pays for his children's lunches while:

Jose Illegal's children get a government sponsored lunch.

Jose Illegal's children have an after school ESL program.

Joe Legal's children go home.

Joe Legal and Jose Illegal both enjoy the same Police and Fire Services,
but Joe paid for them and Jose did not pay.


THIS IS NOT A PARTY ISSUE: IT'S A COMMON SENSE ISSUE.....

Don't vote OR support any politician that supports illegal aliens...

Make it a point to know how your representative votes, State and
Federal.....

It's PAST time to take a stand for America
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Old 07-07-2009, 03:50 PM
 
Location: CITY OF ANGELS AND CONSTANT DANGER
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hilarious!!!!! really hilarious!!!! yes joe illegal gets all these programs... without documentation.

such a silly scenario.

its makes no sense. federal housing, food stamps? good try.

and why do the kids have to be in ESL? are they illegal too? then i guess they dont get any type of food stamps or section 8... maybe it wasnt a good try.

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Originally Posted by casper324 View Post
This is REAL! Alive and growing in every state... Especially CA...

~~~~~~~~~~

Joe Legal vs. Jose Illegal



Here is an example of why hiring illegal aliens is not economically
productive for the State of California...

You have 2 families..."Joe Legal" and "Jose Illegal".

Both families have 2 parents, 2 children and live in California.

"Joe Legal" Works in construction, has a Social Security Number, and
makes $25.00 per hour with payroll taxes deducted...

"Jose Illegal" Also works in construction, has "NO" Social Security
Number, and gets paid $15.00 cash "under the table".

Joe Legal...$25.00 per hour x 40 hours, $1000.00 per week, $52,000 per
year, now take 30% away for state federal tax,

Joe Legal now has $31,231.00

Jose Illegal...$15.00 per hour x 40 hours, $600.00 per week, $31,200.00
per year

Jose Illegal pays no taxes...

Jose Illegal now has $31,200.00

Joe Legal pays Medical and Dental Insurance with limited coverage,
$1000.00 per month $12,000.00 per year,

Joe Legal now has $19,231.00

Jose Illegal has full Medical and Dental coverage through the state and
local clinics at a cost of $0.00 per year

Jose Illegal still has $31,200.00

Joe Legal makes too much money is not eligible for Food Stamps or
welfare

Joe Legal pays for food, $1,000.00 per month, $12,000.00 per year

Joe Legal now has $7,231.00

Jose Illegal has no documented income and is eligible for Food Stamps
and Welfare

Jose Illegal still has $31,200.00

Joe Legal pays rent of $1,000..00 per month, $12,000.00 per year

Joe Legal is now in the hole, minus (-) $4,769.00

Jose Illegal receives a $500 per month Federal rent subsidy

Jose Illegal pays rent $500.00 per month, $6,000.00 per year

Jose Illegal still has $25,200.00

Joe Legal now works overtime on Saturdays or gets a part time job after
work.

Jose Illegal has nights and weekends off to enjoy with his family.

Joe Legal's and Jose Illegal's children both attend the same school.

Joe Legal pays for his children's lunches while:

Jose Illegal's children get a government sponsored lunch.

Jose Illegal's children have an after school ESL program.

Joe Legal's children go home.

Joe Legal and Jose Illegal both enjoy the same Police and Fire Services,
but Joe paid for them and Jose did not pay.


THIS IS NOT A PARTY ISSUE: IT'S A COMMON SENSE ISSUE.....

Don't vote OR support any politician that supports illegal aliens...

Make it a point to know how your representative votes, State and
Federal.....

It's PAST time to take a stand for America
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Old 07-07-2009, 04:11 PM
 
Location: Helena, Montana
2,010 posts, read 2,042,156 times
Reputation: 780
Quote:
Originally Posted by the one View Post
hilarious!!!!! really hilarious!!!! yes joe illegal gets all these programs... without documentation.
How then are they costing the state of CA alone almost 5 billion annually?



Quote:
Originally Posted by the one
its makes no sense. federal housing, food stamps? good try.
His numbers may be exaggerated, but the principal for the most part is spot on in showing how illegals are depressing wages, and how with being legal one cannot afford to work for the same wage.

Quote:
Originally Posted by the one
and why do the kids have to be in ESL?
Spin all you want, you know that for the vast majority of children from illegal aliens, English is their second language.
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Old 07-07-2009, 04:22 PM
 
2,857 posts, read 5,848,533 times
Reputation: 1704
Quote:
Originally Posted by casper324 View Post
This is REAL! Alive and growing in every state... Especially CA...

~~~~~~~~~~

Joe Legal vs. Jose Illegal



Here is an example of why hiring illegal aliens is not economically
productive for the State of California...

You have 2 families..."Joe Legal" and "Jose Illegal".

Both families have 2 parents, 2 children and live in California.

"Joe Legal" Works in construction, has a Social Security Number, and
makes $25.00 per hour with payroll taxes deducted...

"Jose Illegal" Also works in construction, has "NO" Social Security
Number, and gets paid $15.00 cash "under the table".

Joe Legal...$25.00 per hour x 40 hours, $1000.00 per week, $52,000 per
year, now take 30% away for state federal tax,

Joe Legal now has $31,231.00

Jose Illegal...$15.00 per hour x 40 hours, $600.00 per week, $31,200.00
per year

Jose Illegal pays no taxes...

Jose Illegal now has $31,200.00

Joe Legal pays Medical and Dental Insurance with limited coverage,
$1000.00 per month $12,000.00 per year,

Joe Legal now has $19,231.00

Jose Illegal has full Medical and Dental coverage through the state and
local clinics at a cost of $0.00 per year

Jose Illegal still has $31,200.00

Joe Legal makes too much money is not eligible for Food Stamps or
welfare

Joe Legal pays for food, $1,000.00 per month, $12,000.00 per year

Joe Legal now has $7,231.00

Jose Illegal has no documented income and is eligible for Food Stamps
and Welfare

Jose Illegal still has $31,200.00

Joe Legal pays rent of $1,000..00 per month, $12,000.00 per year

Joe Legal is now in the hole, minus (-) $4,769.00

Jose Illegal receives a $500 per month Federal rent subsidy

Jose Illegal pays rent $500.00 per month, $6,000.00 per year

Jose Illegal still has $25,200.00

Joe Legal now works overtime on Saturdays or gets a part time job after
work.

Jose Illegal has nights and weekends off to enjoy with his family.

Joe Legal's and Jose Illegal's children both attend the same school.

Joe Legal pays for his children's lunches while:

Jose Illegal's children get a government sponsored lunch.

Jose Illegal's children have an after school ESL program.

Joe Legal's children go home.

Joe Legal and Jose Illegal both enjoy the same Police and Fire Services,
but Joe paid for them and Jose did not pay.


THIS IS NOT A PARTY ISSUE: IT'S A COMMON SENSE ISSUE.....

Don't vote OR support any politician that supports illegal aliens...

Make it a point to know how your representative votes, State and
Federal.....

It's PAST time to take a stand for America
It sounds like the employer is getting the biggest break.
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Old 07-07-2009, 04:52 PM
 
Location: San Diego
32,799 posts, read 30,034,103 times
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It sounds like the employer is getting the biggest break.
True, the 8% of those that hire them and the taxpayer is getting bent over and hosed.
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Old 07-07-2009, 05:11 PM
 
Location: Helena, Montana
2,010 posts, read 2,042,156 times
Reputation: 780
Quote:
Originally Posted by domino View Post
It sounds like the employer is getting the biggest break.
Good point. Let's look at those numbers:

Illegal : $15 and hour x 40 x 52= $31,200 per year.

Employer has to pay worker's comp (typically 25% of annual wage), and if benefits were offered, I'll go by what I've seen where even with an employee contribution, the employer still forks out $800 a month typically towards medical insurance. Also, for competition's sake, we'll add in a 7% company match to 401k.

So, $25 an hour x 40 x 52= $52,000 + $13,000 (workers comp) + $9,600 (medical, employer contribution) + $3640 (401k, employer contributuion) = $78,240 per year.

Scumbag employer saves $47,040 per year, PER EMPLOYEE by exploiting illegal labor, while putting the American worker out of work.

Complain about this and you are a racist. A bigot. A xenpohobe. Not empathetic to those "just trying to make a better life".

And who started all this name calling and labelling towards anyone against illegal immigration? The government. Big business. Anyone who profits from illegal immigration.

It's really too bad those with such disgust towards people opposed to illegal immigration are too blind to see the kind of people they're siding with and defending. If these businesses weren't profitting by exploiting these people, do you think they would even pretend to give a crap about them as they do now? Because they DON'T care, they just want to make money, even if it's at the expense of this country's citizens.

Last edited by SimpleMan; 07-07-2009 at 05:29 PM..
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Old 07-07-2009, 05:42 PM
 
Location: Centro Tejas
543 posts, read 839,255 times
Reputation: 361
Quote:
Originally Posted by the one View Post
hilarious!!!!! really hilarious!!!! yes joe illegal gets all these programs... without documentation.

such a silly scenario.

its makes no sense. federal housing, food stamps? good try.
Doesn't California ask for some sort of documentation, like Social security, or an affidavit that specify the lack of income when applying for these kind of programs?!

Before getting rid of the people that are doing the jobs we, the "legal Jose", aren't willing to do, states have to restrict these programs. No SS? No food stamps. No income evidence (or lack of income evidence)?No subsidue. If they're earning so much money "under the table", they can afford a house, no matter how small it is.
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Old 07-07-2009, 05:46 PM
 
16,700 posts, read 18,913,643 times
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Actually... what Joe Legal should do is get an under the table job... I know tons of legal immigrants that do this and live on social aid... the social system is broken... if the government isn't going to protect you, then s**** the government...
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Old 07-07-2009, 06:47 PM
 
Location: The Wine Country, CA
807 posts, read 1,116,734 times
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jay_jay26 View Post
Doesn't California ask for some sort of documentation, like Social security, or an affidavit that specify the lack of income when applying for these kind of programs?!

Before getting rid of the people that are doing the jobs we, the "legal Jose", aren't willing to do, states have to restrict these programs. No SS? No food stamps. No income evidence (or lack of income evidence)?No subsidue. If they're earning so much money "under the table", they can afford a house, no matter how small it is.
First of all, in this economy there AREN'T too many jobs that "Legal" Jose would NOT want to do.. Today there was a local job fair for 80 jobs at Orchard Supply Hardware, many of them starting at Minimum wage and several hundred people showed up...

Also, in order to receive cash aid JOSE ILLEGAL will likely find Maria Illegal and drop baby Hector Legal who will be a U.S. citizen, therefore Hector Legal will be entitled to ALL benefits of a U.S. Citizens..
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Old 07-07-2009, 07:18 PM
 
Location: Centro Tejas
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Originally Posted by bipolarpunk View Post
First of all, in this economy there AREN'T too many jobs that "Legal" Jose would NOT want to do.. Today there was a local job fair for 80 jobs at Orchard Supply Hardware, many of them starting at Minimum wage and several hundred people showed up...

Also, in order to receive cash aid JOSE ILLEGAL will likely find Maria Illegal and drop baby Hector Legal who will be a U.S. citizen, therefore Hector Legal will be entitled to ALL benefits of a U.S. Citizens..
The original story doesn't specify if the kids are legal or illegal. Even if there are plenty of "anchor babies", there are ruthless people who bring their kids with them while crossing the border.

And if that's the case, there still the income or lack of income evidence. I mean, just because the baby is legal doesn't mean they'll be eligible for the benefits.

The baby is a citizen, ok, but what about the money?! There's still that loophole...
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