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Old 07-14-2009, 03:44 PM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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The key difference being that the inmates, at least most of them, have been tried and convicted. Police officers cannot go around shooting criminals.

Now, what would happen if one, just one of the individuals that it's "shoot to kill" happens to be a U.S. citizen and not an IA who happens to be lost in the area. That would go over very well, right?
The way things are going: it is fast becoming time to find out.

Needless to say: a double wall with a plowed strip between them would make for a 'shooting gallery'.........read that once an illegal cleared the inner fence then he may be home free--------unless picked up by regular LEO.
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Old 07-14-2009, 03:50 PM
 
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I would rather they didnt come illegially, than they wouldnt have to worry about dieing of thirst. If they know people are providing them with water, oe in other words, inabliling them, than that encourages more illegal behavior
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Old 07-14-2009, 04:46 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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Do you think they do not have a sense of the dangers that crossing a dessert poses to them? Again, their motivation is not to cross the desert to get to that container with water. They are going to cross no matter what, so I think it's humane to try to lower the actual danger that the desert poses to them by providing water.
If they are told they are going to die they wouldn't cross. They are being lied to by the enablers. The proof is the bodies in the desert, unfortunately they aren't alive to dissuade anyone.

Instead of lying to them about no water and danger they are being told there are free social services, jobs and that it isn't dangerous. Who's killing them, US policy or the liers S of the border?
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Old 07-14-2009, 05:39 PM
 
Location: Ann Arbor, MI
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If they are told they are going to die they wouldn't cross. They are being lied to by the enablers. The proof is the bodies in the desert, unfortunately they aren't alive to dissuade anyone.

Instead of lying to them about no water and danger they are being told there are free social services, jobs and that it isn't dangerous. Who's killing them, US policy or the liers S of the border?
Both, but you don't have any control of the liers S of the border.
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Old 07-14-2009, 05:48 PM
 
Location: Ann Arbor, MI
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While there's an ENORMOUS gulf between those who advocate 'shoot to kill' orders, and those who advocate simply NOT placing water jugs out to enable trespassers, in reference to your above point about 'lowering the danger', I suppose you're correct. But couldn't the same thing be said about the 'dangers' inherent in ANY petty crime? I'm sure that those who have tall fences around their property.....or guard dogs....or alarm systems connected to the Police department....or security officers with guns....would make the job of 'thief' or 'trespasser' much safer, if they removed these obstacles and let the thieves do their work in safety. But how many people would agree with removing these things?

If you left all your belongings outside on your front lawn, then you'd spare any possible thief the charge of 'housebreaking' or 'burglary'....all he'd face, if he took your property, would be a theft charge. Is that a 'humane' thing to do, or a stupid one? Would this be a 'kind' thing to do (that of providing thieves a 'safe environment'), since, as you've alluded, "those who are thieves are going to be thieves ANYWAY, whether we 'help' them or not.."?

Just wondering.

Like you guys say, apple's and oranges, when comparing IA's with petty thiefs. Yet you still have the periodic breaks on the side of the road that make noise when drift off ( usually in the highway) for when you are driving when you should not be. In some state drivers who are driving fatigued can be charged with vehicular homicide if they kill someone.

So do you think those devices in the side of the road set up to "wake-up" people should not be there because they are helping people drive while fatigued?
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Old 07-14-2009, 07:18 PM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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Like you guys say, apple's and oranges, when comparing IA's with petty thiefs. Yet you still have the periodic breaks on the side of the road that make noise when drift off ( usually in the highway) for when you are driving when you should not be. In some state drivers who are driving fatigued can be charged with vehicular homicide if they kill someone.

So do you think those devices in the side of the road set up to "wake-up" people should not be there because they are helping people drive while fatigued?
BOTTOM LINE HERE: any way you spin it; we have plenty of homegrown criminal trash already------------I see no reason to allow more lawbreakers in AKA illegal alien losers.
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Old 07-14-2009, 07:42 PM
 
Location: California
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"So do you think those devices in the side of the road set up to "wake-up" people should not be there because they are helping people drive while fatigued?"

More spin, diversion,and "what if" scenarios....

What was the topic again ?

Roadside devices or illegal aliens?

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Old 07-14-2009, 07:43 PM
 
Location: southern california
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if you are pro illegal something then you are with the bad guys aren't you.
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Old 07-14-2009, 07:51 PM
 
Location: California
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if you are pro illegal something then you are with the bad guys aren't you.

Huh ?

Ya lost me here...
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Old 07-14-2009, 08:18 PM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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Huh ?

Ya lost me here...
Huckleberry was being rhetorical stating that illegal alien apologists aid/abet criminals
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