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Old 07-14-2009, 11:12 AM
 
Location: California
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Schumer must have taken a play out of the International Terrorist Playbook :
Take a hostage and then offer to negotiate....
Chuckie must have missed the memo...We don't negotiate with terrorists, even domestic terrorists.


"Given these realities, it would be reasonable to assume that New York’s powerful senior senator would be using his considerable political clout to make sure that all glaring threats to America’s security are addressed. Instead, Sen. Charles Schumer stated in late June that securing America’s borders would have to wait until after enactment of a massive amnesty for illegal aliens.

In that statement Schumer makes some troubling admissions. He concedes that we do not have operational control of our borders, and that we have failed to commit the resources necessary to restore control. Schumer is willing to make restoration of control of our borders contingent on political considerations.
Why, eight years after 9/11, do we not have operational control of our borders? And why should reasserting control have to wait for anything? Congress and the president have a moral and constitutional obligation to use all resources already available to protect the security of the nation.

Unfortunately, Schumer and many in Washington seem prepared to use homeland security as a bargaining chip to leverage another massive amnesty for illegal aliens...."

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Daniel Stein: Schumer rates amnesty for illegals over security : Opinion : The Buffalo News (http://www.buffalonews.com/149/story/732678.html - broken link)



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Old 07-14-2009, 12:20 PM
 
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Sorry, but I'm not buying it. I still remember the BIG amnesty of '86, when the 'pols' stated, in essence, "you let US legalize three million people, and WE'LL secure the border" Well, "we" did that...and "they" didn't. We (the public) got burned. Today, it would be hard to find anyone 'grateful' for that amnesty....most of what it engendered has been frustration, resentment, and a sense of entitlement.

Many advocates at that time promised "this will be the LAST amnesty", and I'm going to hold them to their word. I do NOT have any faith that, even if we DID have another amnesty, that our borders would suddenly be made 'secure'. Sounds like a simple case of extortion to me....not all that surprising, considering who's 'pushing' it.
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Old 07-14-2009, 12:34 PM
 
Location: CITY OF ANGELS AND CONSTANT DANGER
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no, its deportation. then border security. then amnesty he have to whittle down the masses. keep people out. keep the hard working folk.
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Old 07-14-2009, 12:56 PM
 
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Tar and feather that traitor march him and the rest across the border..

DEPORT NO AMNESTY EMPLOYER CHECKS BORDER WALL AND ORDERS TO SHOOT!
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Old 07-14-2009, 01:33 PM
 
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Sorry, but I'm not buying it. I still remember the BIG amnesty of '86, when the 'pols' stated, in essence, "you let US legalize three million people, and WE'LL secure the border" Well, "we" did that...and "they" didn't. We (the public) got burned. Today, it would be hard to find anyone 'grateful' for that amnesty....most of what it engendered has been frustration, resentment, and a sense of entitlement.

Many advocates at that time promised "this will be the LAST amnesty", and I'm going to hold them to their word. I do NOT have any faith that, even if we DID have another amnesty, that our borders would suddenly be made 'secure'. Sounds like a simple case of extortion to me....not all that surprising, considering who's 'pushing' it.
Basically agree with this.

HOWEVER, the fact of the matter is that we are NOT capable of rounding up and effectively deporting all of the illegals currently residing in the country.... At least not with the P.C. methods that we'd be required to employ to meet that end...

One of two things HAS to happen...

1) Either make the crack-down on companies that hire illegals SO severe that no company would be stupid enough to risk employing one.

OR

2) We come up with an EFFECTIVE border control policy that possibly includes a "shoot on sight" rule BEFORE we enact our final amnesty... In a perfect world they'd enact this under cover of darkness and swiftly so we don't have a flood of illegals coming in just under the gun to receive "amnesty"....
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Old 07-14-2009, 01:42 PM
 
Location: Ann Arbor, MI
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Basically agree with this.

HOWEVER, the fact of the matter is that we are NOT capable of rounding up and effectively deporting all of the illegals currently residing in the country.... At least not with the P.C. methods that we'd be required to employ to meet that end...

One of two things HAS to happen...

1) Either make the crack-down on companies that hire illegals SO severe that no company would be stupid enough to risk employing one.

OR

2) We come up with an EFFECTIVE border control policy that possibly includes a "shoot on sight" rule BEFORE we enact our final amnesty... In a perfect world they'd enact this under cover of darkness and swiftly so we don't have a flood of illegals coming in just under the gun to receive "amnesty"....

I think the approach of this senator is incorrect, I think any attempts to create a path for legalization should be coupled with border/employment enforcement as well as with reform of current eligibility to migrate as to not be family based.

But suggesting a "shoot on sight" rule seem to take a lot from your argument. I think if I would be a random reader or listener and would be paying attention to you, I would completely lose interest in what you have to say after you suggest such a radical idea, that opens the U.S. to charges of human rights violations.

Path to legalization and THEN enforcement is not the way.

Enforcement and THEN path to legalization is not the way.

Both at the same time, in the same bill is the way to go.
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Old 07-14-2009, 01:45 PM
 
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Enforcement and THEN path to legalization is not the way.

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Why not, if I may ask?...
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Old 07-14-2009, 01:49 PM
 
Location: Ann Arbor, MI
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Why not, if I may ask?...
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Sorry, but I'm not buying it. I still remember the BIG amnesty of '86, when the 'pols' stated, in essence, "you let US legalize three million people, and WE'LL secure the border" Well, "we" did that...and "they" didn't. We (the public) got burned. Today, it would be hard to find anyone 'grateful' for that amnesty....most of what it engendered has been frustration, resentment, and a sense of entitlement.
The same issue that you described, but in reverse. Now you have >12 Million individuals who are here illegally and no political will to fix it. Both sides need to compromise at the same time and come up with a balanced bill.
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Old 07-14-2009, 02:00 PM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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The same issue that you described, but in reverse. Now you have >12 Million individuals who are here illegally and no political will to fix it. Both sides need to compromise at the same time and come up with a balanced bill.
I see no reason to compromise with a bunch of illegal alien criminals--------especially with the deep recession/depression we are in.

Kick the above losers out.
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Old 07-14-2009, 02:03 PM
 
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The same issue that you described, but in reverse. Now you have >12 Million individuals who are here illegally and no political will to fix it. Both sides need to compromise at the same time and come up with a balanced bill.
No political will to fix it? Where did you come up with that one? What makes you think having the border secured would suddenly make the presence of millions of illegals acceptable?
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