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Old 07-16-2009, 06:36 PM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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I would rather see Sarah Palin as president of the United States than Barack Obama. And this is coming from a guy who is not even a very big fan of Sarah Palin. I am more of a Mike Huckabee, Rudy Giuliani, and Mitt Romney supporter. I think John McCain should have chosen one of those 3 men as his vice presidential running mate.

But if Sarah and Barack were my only 2 choices with no other options, I would choose Sarah even though she is not my ideal candidate. But I have an even lower opinion of Obama.
I would have voted for McCain had any of the above names been his VP.
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Old 07-16-2009, 06:43 PM
 
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mccain was pro illegal as well but i don't think that illegal immigration was as big during the election as it is turning out to be now since the jobs are visibly disappearing. people are finally becoming aware that the economy is not strong enough to have this giant labor pool and american workers are being forced out. there will be a backlash!


here is the latest unemployment report:
The advance number of actual initial claims under state programs, unadjusted, totaled 667,534 in the week ending July 11, an increase of 86,389 from the previous week. There were 483,981 initial claims in the comparable week in 2008.

The advance unadjusted insured unemployment rate was 4.6 percent during the week ending July 4, an increase of 0.1 percentage point from the prior week. The advance unadjusted number for persons claiming UI benefits in state programs totaled 6,135,066, an increase of 63,714 from the preceding week. A year earlier, the rate was 2.3 percent and the volume was 3,118,724.


Extended benefits were available in Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, California, Colorado, Connecticut, the District of Columbia, Florida, Georgia, Idaho, Illinois, Indiana, Kentucky, Maine, Massachusetts, Michigan, Minnesota, Missouri, Montana, Nevada, New Jersey, New York, North Carolina, Ohio, Oregon, Pennsylvania, Puerto Rico, Rhode Island, South Carolina, Tennessee, Vermont, Virginia, Washington, and Wisconsin during the week ending June 27.

that is a lot of taxpayer money invested in unemployment.
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Old 07-16-2009, 07:30 PM
 
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How is he going to be "anti-illegal alien", went he himself is an illegal alien, with a bogus birth certificate?
BentBow, don't even bother trying to raise that issue: snopes.com: Barack Obama Birth Certificate

Snopes declares your statements FALSE
The courts and newspaper records all confirm that Barack Obama was born in the United States

Stop this foolishness.
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Old 07-16-2009, 07:43 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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BentBow, don't even bother trying to raise that issue: snopes.com: Barack Obama Birth Certificate

Snopes declares your statements FALSE
The courts and newspaper records all confirm that Barack Obama was born in the United States

Stop this foolishness.




All records are hidden??? They are not on public record???

Why is that???

Snopes??? LOL!!!

Why is there a big stink now, over our troops being sent into Afghanistan? With the cause being, our President is not an American citizen at all, and it is holding up as a legit excuse.
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Old 07-16-2009, 08:43 PM
 
Location: California
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BentBow, don't even bother trying to raise that issue: snopes.com: Barack Obama Birth Certificate

Snopes declares your statements FALSE
The courts and newspaper records all confirm that Barack Obama was born in the United States

Stop this foolishness.
Hopefully, You will be able to produce and post a copy of Obama's birth certificate (Not a "certificate of live birth") and put and end to this controversy once and for all....

You will be the first person to do so, I believe.

I'll check back in a couple of minutes...

Last edited by borderlord; 07-16-2009 at 09:08 PM.. Reason: word change for clarification
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Old 07-16-2009, 08:50 PM
 
Location: Sierra Vista, AZ
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Apparently everyone has forgotten McCain was for Amnesty and has done nothing for the situation in Arizona for decades
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Old 07-16-2009, 09:01 PM
 
Location: California
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Apparently everyone has forgotten McCain was for Amnesty and has done nothing for the situation in Arizona for decades

I disagree....It would appear that most people recognized that McAmnesty was nothing more than an extension of Shrubs obsession with amnesty,and wanted "change" and McCain lost.
And did they ever get change....
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Old 07-16-2009, 09:28 PM
 
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Don't try to shift the burden on me. You said "went he himself is an illegal alien, with a bogus birth certificate," (exact words) so you have to give us the beef and prove it is fake.

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Hopefully, You will be able to produce and post a copy of Obama's birth certificate (Not a "certificate of live birth") and put and end to this controversy once and for all....

You will be the first person to do so, I believe.

I'll check back in a couple of minutes...
Snopes, LOL? Snopes is an the authority of checking rumors and urban legends. You can't "LOL" Snopes away. What it points out:
* Honolulu's major newspapers had announcements on the birth of Barack Obama in 1961
* When Philip Berg, a Philadelphia attorney, filed a lawsuit in August 2008 saying that the birth certificate was fake to try to have Obama disqualified, a federal judge dismissed the lawsuit. A similar lawsuit was dismissed in March 2009
* Hawaiian officials said that they verified the authenticity of Obama's birth certificate
* The people who say "the birth certificate is fake" didn't see the original birth certificate, but a scan of it
* Obama's mother is an American citizen, so Obama would be a U.S. citizen even if he was not born in the U.S. or on a military base

Exceptional claims call for exceptional evidence. The people who say "the certificate is fake" failed to provide evidence of this.

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All records are hidden??? They are not on public record???

Why is that???

Snopes??? LOL!!!

Why is there a big stink now, over our troops being sent into Afghanistan? With the cause being, our President is not an American citizen at all, and it is holding up as a legit excuse.

Last edited by Vicman; 07-16-2009 at 09:38 PM..
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Old 07-16-2009, 09:37 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Don't try to shift the burden on me. You said "Obama's birth certificate is fake," so you have to give us the beef and prove it is fake.

Actually it was I who said,
"How is he going to be "anti-illegal alien", went he himself is an illegal alien, with a bogus birth certificate?"

Not, "Obama's birth certificate is fake," as you twisted it.

The proof is, no one has produced a real live actual document.
The snopes posted a paper article, Mr. Mrs.... Mr. was never in Hawaii.
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Old 07-16-2009, 09:44 PM
 
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BentBow, you said: went he himself is an illegal alien, with a bogus birth certificate?" which means "Obama's birth certificate is fake" (and I edited the post to include your exact words).

You are trying to shift the burden to have the accused prove himself innocent. No, the accuser needs to prove the accused guilty. Don't ask the accused to give the evidence. You give the evidence. The burden of proof is on you.

And why would the Obama family go to the trouble of faking a birth certificate like this when Obama would have gotten US citizenship anyway?

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Actually it was I who said,
"How is he going to be "anti-illegal alien", went he himself is an illegal alien, with a bogus birth certificate?"

Not, "Obama's birth certificate is fake," as you twisted it.

The proof is, no one has produced a real live actual document.
The snopes posted a paper article, Mr. Mrs.... Mr. was never in Hawaii.
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