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Old 08-08-2009, 09:19 PM
 
Location: Earth Wanderer, longing for the stars.
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Thats because he is planning to make all illegal aliens into legal ones... he already has a plan for legalizing all of them and if you notice, the public health care plan is only for LEGAL... once he gives them all Amnesty, they will be LEGAL... anyone who thinks otherwise is a fool
I disagree. I think he realizes that both the left and right do not want them here. Many blue collar jobs are lost because of them. During Katrina Bush had a law passed that the state could be rebuilt hiring illegals, squeezing out black contractors who lived in the area and had a good track record.

Obama said himself that people resented them primarily because of economic reasons.

He appointed Napolitano to head Homeland Security and she is getting tougher on companies that hire illegals. That is exactly what needs to be done. Make it rough for them and they go back on their own. Already a third of them have gone back home.

This debate is over healthcare and if they will be covered. You appear to be pulling at straws to say bad things about Obama. Anything will do.

There are too many people who have been hurt by their current insurance coverage - or the coverage they thought they had. There are too many middle class people who are unemployed and have no insurance at all.

Americans pay twice as much as most Western countries for health care and get inferior coverage. The system needs a drastic change. We have been complaining about escalating costs and cut coverage for decades and the guys now in charge (insurance companies) have done nothing. They cannot fix the problem because they ARE the problem.

It is obvious that we need change, and it cannot be from the companies that have caused the problem. We need the public option.
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Old 08-08-2009, 09:26 PM
 
Location: The Lakes Region
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WRONG!

http://docs.house.gov/edlabor/AAHCA-BillText-071409.pdf (broken link)

3 SEC. 246. NO FEDERAL PAYMENT FOR UNDOCUMENTED
ALIENS.

Whatsa matter, you don't read English?



When and if health care passes, illegals will become legal in the Dream Act. S729.......
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Old 08-09-2009, 12:20 AM
 
Location: Lafayette, Louisiana
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Obama: No Health Care For Illegal Immigrants - Political Hotsheet - CBS News

Per Obama - his health care bill does not cover illegals.
And I call President Obama a bold face liar.
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Old 08-09-2009, 12:22 AM
 
Location: SW Missouri
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Obama: No Health Care For Illegal Immigrants - Political Hotsheet - CBS News

Per Obama - his health care bill does not cover illegals.
Good when it doesn't cover pregnancy, he'll have my support.

20yrsinBranson
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Old 08-09-2009, 12:37 AM
 
Location: California
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When and if health care passes, illegals will become legal in the Dream Act. S729.......
That is for a specific group of people. The kind of people we actually WANT to immigrate here. Immigration isn't ever going to stop, but we can be picky.
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Old 08-09-2009, 08:38 AM
 
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I disagree. I think he realizes that both the left and right do not want them here. Many blue collar jobs are lost because of them. During Katrina Bush had a law passed that the state could be rebuilt hiring illegals, squeezing out black contractors who lived in the area and had a good track record.

Obama said himself that people resented them primarily because of economic reasons.

He appointed Napolitano to head Homeland Security and she is getting tougher on companies that hire illegals. That is exactly what needs to be done. Make it rough for them and they go back on their own. Already a third of them have gone back home.

This debate is over healthcare and if they will be covered. You appear to be pulling at straws to say bad things about Obama. Anything will do.

There are too many people who have been hurt by their current insurance coverage - or the coverage they thought they had. There are too many middle class people who are unemployed and have no insurance at all.

Americans pay twice as much as most Western countries for health care and get inferior coverage. The system needs a drastic change. We have been complaining about escalating costs and cut coverage for decades and the guys now in charge (insurance companies) have done nothing. They cannot fix the problem because they ARE the problem.

It is obvious that we need change, and it cannot be from the companies that have caused the problem. We need the public option.

WRONG... he has said it during his campaign and during his presidency... he WANTS Amnesty PERIOD... if you have Amnesty, you ARE LEGAL... YOU QUALIFY for the public plan... he has stated MULTIPLE times he wanted Health care reform by August and then he wanted Amnesty by December.. so yes, illegals will be legals and then join into the public health care option... He WANTS them here and Napolitano is a PRO-AMNESTY person... she isn't enforcing anything on companies, the recession is... She has on multiple occasion shot down ANY enforcement of illegal immigrant legislation in her own home state and tried to pass Amnesty legislation... know your history a bit... The health care plan was designed FOR illegal immigrants considering they make up 25% of the uninsured... they WILL be getting it... one way or another...
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Old 08-09-2009, 09:36 AM
 
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WRONG!

http://docs.house.gov/edlabor/AAHCA-BillText-071409.pdf (broken link)

3 SEC. 246. NO FEDERAL PAYMENT FOR UNDOCUMENTED
ALIENS.

Whatsa matter, you don't read English?

About a week ago, the U.S. House Ways and Means Committee defeated an amendment which would have excluded illegal aliens from Obama’s massive healthcare bill. In addition to replacing our private healthcare system with a government-run program, many have argued that this bill is in fact, a ‘backdoor’ amnesty.
The Democratically-controlled committee voted 23-18 to defeat the measure introduced by Rep. Dean Heller (R-NV), which would have required the use of the existing Income and Eligibility Verification System and the Systematic Alien Verification for Entitlements System, before any care is given. This move would have ensured that only U.S. citizens would receive the taxpayer funded care.

While Obama has made claims that illegal aliens will not be covered by his plan, the following line can be found among the 1018 page bill: Sec. 59B, Pg. 170, Line 1 - “Any NONRESIDENT alien is exempt from individual taxes.”
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Old 08-09-2009, 10:17 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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That is for a specific group of people. The kind of people we actually WANT to immigrate here. Immigration isn't ever going to stop, but we can be picky.

I'd have to argue that one. Just being a dreamie doesn't put someone on the 'want' list. They may have been on the public dole already.

If they can prove no tax payer money has been spent on them, maybe.
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Old 08-10-2009, 09:50 AM
 
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While Obama has made claims that illegal aliens will not be covered by his plan, the following line can be found among the 1018 page bill: Sec. 59B, Pg. 170, Line 1 - “Any NONRESIDENT alien is exempt from individual taxes.”
NONRESIDENT - a person who does not live here
alien - a citizen of a country other than the US


I don't get your point - you would tax Swedes living in Sweden, maybe?

Since you are posting misleading information here, could you please document the rest of that post?
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Old 08-10-2009, 10:19 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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A welfare state, right next to a 3rd world country and open borders.

That is a formula for a bigger disaster than it already is.

Ya, lets create a revolution, as that would be the straw, for sure.
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