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Old 08-29-2009, 11:56 AM
 
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You should no longer be sick or broke. There are 40% less illegal immigrants entering the country and many have returned home.
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Old 08-29-2009, 12:39 PM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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Since immigration was reduced by 40% and many returned home, we will soon see a huge reduction in taxes and an increase in wages. Our schools, emergency rooms and courts must have a lot of room for citizens.

Of course, those no longer here do not pay taxes, social security of spend their money in our cities and towns. Their large families will not enter our workforce and keep social security viable.

It is odd that not one Internet Site or media outlet reported on any change in crime, taxes, emergency room use or smaller classrooms at our schools. I wonder why? The downturn in the economy did not affect the number of children in schools or people in the Emergency Rooms.

Government and their accomplices in the media will continue to blame others for our taxes, unemployment, under-employment, etc., as long as we are willing to let them focus the blame on others. African-Americans, Irish Catholics, Jews and not illegal immigrants are the cause of our problems. It can't be our government.

Are you doing better now that immigrants left and there is a 40% decrease in the number of new immigrants? Are your children enjoying smaller class sizes? Are your taxes lowered to reflect the savings at the hospitals, welfare offices, etc.?
40% decline in illegals is a good start...........it is high time for many more to leave the USA------------permanently.
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Old 08-29-2009, 01:25 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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Since immigration was reduced by 40% and many returned home, we will soon see a huge reduction in taxes and an increase in wages. Our schools, emergency rooms and courts must have a lot of room for citizens.

Of course, those no longer here do not pay taxes, social security of spend their money in our cities and towns. Their large families will not enter our workforce and keep social security viable.

It is odd that not one Internet Site or media outlet reported on any change in crime, taxes, emergency room use or smaller classrooms at our schools. I wonder why? The downturn in the economy did not affect the number of children in schools or people in the Emergency Rooms.

Government and their accomplices in the media will continue to blame others for our taxes, unemployment, under-employment, etc., as long as we are willing to let them focus the blame on others. African-Americans, Irish Catholics, Jews and not illegal immigrants are the cause of our problems. It can't be our government.

Are you doing better now that immigrants left and there is a 40% decrease in the number of new immigrants? Are your children enjoying smaller class sizes? Are your taxes lowered to reflect the savings at the hospitals, welfare offices, etc.?
I think 40% is way over stating how many have left but yes, there are smaller classes and I don't get mobbed at Home Depot like 2 years ago. There are still far too many and to think they are all driving is scary.
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Old 09-03-2009, 12:21 AM
 
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I think 40% is way over stating how many have left but yes, there are smaller classes and I don't get mobbed at Home Depot like 2 years ago. There are still far too many and to think they are all driving is scary.
I doubt that many have left - but enough have that the Mexican government is complaining about them coming back. The mayor of Juarez has been quite vocal about the problem of returnees and deportees. There is concern in Mexico near the California border that when the prisoners are released - and many will be deported, that they're going to cause problems for Mexico.
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Old 09-03-2009, 07:00 AM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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I doubt that many have left - but enough have that the Mexican government is complaining about them coming back. The mayor of Juarez has been quite vocal about the problem of returnees and deportees. There is concern in Mexico near the California border that when the prisoners are released - and many will be deported, that they're going to cause problems for Mexico.
Mexico's government needs to 'man up', take care of its citizens and shut its mouth. We owe that decrepit nation nothing.
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Old 09-03-2009, 09:29 AM
 
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Saw this in the paper today, thought I'd post the link.

Articles say the influx has slowed and that departures of aliens heading back to Mexico has increased. Sounds like good news.

IMO, I've seen that change here in COLO SPGS, CO over the past year or so. More and more of the landscaping crews that I've seen are obviously U.S. citizens (white and black men) and few Hispanic looking men. I see the same thing on some job sites too. I'm sure the slow economy is a big part of this, since they can take their money and live better back home than here. Rents seem to have declined here as fewer families are looking for housing.

It makes sense to me. Those folks came here for the economic incentives of work and much better/safer living conditions. Now that jobs are going away, they are heading home.

I admit to very mixed feelings. I love the way these folks work so hard and complain so little, but I do not like people coming here illegally. I have to lay the blame on our Federal government, which has looked the other way for 23 years since the 1986 amnesty for six million illegals. Most of us have had enough of the financial impacts and the relative lack of action by our government, though that has improved a bit in the past few years as WE have raised hell about this matter.

IMO, we should send several million more people back home, close the border, and if need be, set up a guest worker program. However, IMO, the guest worker program is a no-go with the business community, since they'd have to pay full minimum wage or better and the workers would be covered by workmen's comp, labor laws, and other safety net programs that businesses don't want to pay for, and don't have to pay for if they can keep using undocumented workers. It sucks, and until we beat our elected officials over the head and boot some of them out, not much will change.
"I love the way these folks work so hard and complain so little"

I hired a AA and his crew to do some work on a rental house I have and he did not complain one time.

I hired a white guy to work on my home and he or his crew did not complain one time.
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Old 09-03-2009, 10:46 AM
 
Location: Arizona High Desert
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Send the illegals back. Legal workers are something else, entirely. The "bleeding heart crowd" isn't footing the bills for illegal invaders. John Taxpayer is, and John has enough to worry about these days.
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Old 09-03-2009, 12:16 PM
 
Location: CITY OF ANGELS AND CONSTANT DANGER
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IM SHOCKED!!!!

interesting you didnt care to call the OP out on his ignorant comment.

less hispanic presence?
to be "obviously U.S. citizens" one must look only black or white...

i wonder what the OP would think about hispanics in Mass that look black (dominicans, panamanians)

how would he ever discern visual citizenship then?


ANYHOW:
anybody got reall numbers? aside from the data related to border crossings (or aprehensions).

i'd like to see some good numbers. to see what effects this might have had on an areas economy. anecdotal evidence is good, but howabout concrete stats.

shoot even i, on the train today, heard a lady talking about how its easier to to be in mexico working for "centavos". with that you can at least by beans and tortillas she said. here, it doesnt go as far. the guy she was talking to said something about renta. couldnt really make it out (i was reading the paper afterall ) the only reason she hasnt gone back is because of the time spent here. she has deeper roots.

people are definitely going back, but it seems it might be the newer arrivals. the ones who have been here might recognize the ebb and flow of the economy as a temporary problem, hence their decision to "ride it out".
hmmmm


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40% decline in illegals is a good start...........it is high time for many more to leave the USA------------permanently.
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Old 09-03-2009, 12:47 PM
 
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IM SHOCKED!!!!

interesting you didnt care to call the OP out on his ignorant comment.

less hispanic presence?
to be "obviously U.S. citizens" one must look only black or white...

i wonder what the OP would think about hispanics in Mass that look black (dominicans, panamanians)

how would he ever discern visual citizenship then?


ANYHOW:
anybody got reall numbers? aside from the data related to border crossings (or aprehensions).

i'd like to see some good numbers. to see what effects this might have had on an areas economy. anecdotal evidence is good, but howabout concrete stats.

shoot even i, on the train today, heard a lady talking about how its easier to to be in mexico working for "centavos". with that you can at least by beans and tortillas she said. here, it doesnt go as far. the guy she was talking to said something about renta. couldnt really make it out (i was reading the paper afterall ) the only reason she hasnt gone back is because of the time spent here. she has deeper roots.

people are definitely going back, but it seems it might be the newer arrivals. the ones who have been here might recognize the ebb and flow of the economy as a temporary problem, hence their decision to "ride it out".
hmmmm
Those who literally cross the border illegally seem like the ones who would end up back in their country of origin, discouraged without much keeping them here besides a desperate need to come home with money.

The very significant number of illegal immigrants who came here legally, but are on expired visas are the ones who have likely built lives here and are willing to wait out the current economy.
I agree that it is moronic and offensive to equate Hispanics with illegal immigrants. Hispanics are not a new presence in the United States, many are citizens, many are here legally. So a Hispanic speaking Spanish does not mean illegal alien. This is where injecting race into the topic becomes an issue. Doing that angers many Hispanic-Americans who can be a powerful political force, one with a growing voice that in the past used to be alienated.

It would make sense for people who are against immigration reform to play nice with the Hispanic/Latino community of America. But it's something they can't grasp, and always fail on.
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Old 09-03-2009, 01:53 PM
 
Location: CITY OF ANGELS AND CONSTANT DANGER
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Those who literally cross the border illegally seem like the ones who would end up back in their country of origin, discouraged without much keeping them here besides a desperate need to come home with money.

The very significant number of illegal immigrants who came here legally, but are on expired visas are the ones who have likely built lives here and are willing to wait out the current economy.
I agree that it is moronic and offensive to equate Hispanics with illegal immigrants. Hispanics are not a new presence in the United States, many are citizens, many are here legally. So a Hispanic speaking Spanish does not mean illegal alien. This is where injecting race into the topic becomes an issue. Doing that angers many Hispanic-Americans who can be a powerful political force, one with a growing voice that in the past used to be alienated.

It would make sense for people who are against immigration reform to play nice with the Hispanic/Latino community of America. But it's something they can't grasp, and always fail on.
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