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View Poll Results: Should illegal immigration without prior deportation(s) be a crime?
Yes 42 93.33%
No 3 6.67%
Voters: 45. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 07-27-2009, 08:17 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Anybody else think this is an extreme, unethical violation of human rights? If we were to do that, we might as well tattoo numbers on them as well.

Illegal immigrants are people, not dogs or cats.
I agree with you. I don't think chipping them is approrpiate.
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Old 07-28-2009, 07:29 AM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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Anybody else think this is an extreme, unethical violation of human rights? If we were to do that, we might as well tattoo numbers on them as well.

Illegal immigrants are people, not dogs or cats.

All that needs to be done to "stem the flow" is crack down on employers, and limit social services. If they have nothing to take advantage of, there would be little reason to come here.

Or, allow them to come, give them taxpayer ID's, and let them pay into the system.
If there has been talk about chipping US citizens--------------why not illegal aliens?

As it is: despite it technically 'different', how is chipping or even tattooing any different from fingerprinting/DNA collection? Especially with the use of scanners to read same?
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Old 07-28-2009, 08:46 AM
 
Location: Seattle, WA
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If there has been talk about chipping US citizens--------------why not illegal aliens?

As it is: despite it technically 'different', how is chipping or even tattooing any different from fingerprinting/DNA collection? Especially with the use of scanners to read same?
Why chip US citizens? If all US citizens were to become chipped, of course there would be no reason not to chip illegal immigrants. I for one, would be extremely opposed to any sort of mandatory chipping, yet, I don't think mandatory chipping would ever get through Congress. Three states (including CA) have already banned employers from implanting chips in its employees.

Fingerprinting and DNA collection are external from the human body. Fingerprints are kept on paper, and DNA can be obtained with a simple cheek swab. There aren't any lasting effects to the person after fingerprints/DNA are obtained, whereas a chip or tattoo would be carried around by the person until they could get them removed.
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Old 07-28-2009, 09:05 AM
 
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mexico criminalize people from the south of them. there was even a dude(anerican) held in mexico on immigration charges long ago who fleed the US. but later on US marshalls contacted mexico and learned mexico had him in custody for illegal immigration and extradited him back to the US so yes THE US should criminalize
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Old 07-28-2009, 09:16 AM
 
Location: Maryland
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Call me crazy, but doesn’t the word “illegal” denote criminal activity?
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Old 07-28-2009, 11:24 AM
 
Location: CITY OF ANGELS AND CONSTANT DANGER
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welcome back, i missed you.

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Call me crazy, but doesn’t the word “illegal” denote criminal activity?
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Old 07-28-2009, 11:28 AM
 
Location: CITY OF ANGELS AND CONSTANT DANGER
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it would be more economically feasible to chip those few violent repeat offenders who are in the country illegally.

when they are released from jail for rape or murder or theft they can be chipped and sent away. ensuring those violent repeat offenders dont return. if they do we can track them.

this way, there home country can track them as well.

chipping folks who have been caught once or twice might not be the best use of funds...

chipping all US citizens wouldnt be wise either

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Why chip US citizens? If all US citizens were to become chipped, of course there would be no reason not to chip illegal immigrants. I for one, would be extremely opposed to any sort of mandatory chipping, yet, I don't think mandatory chipping would ever get through Congress. Three states (including CA) have already banned employers from implanting chips in its employees.

Fingerprinting and DNA collection are external from the human body. Fingerprints are kept on paper, and DNA can be obtained with a simple cheek swab. There aren't any lasting effects to the person after fingerprints/DNA are obtained, whereas a chip or tattoo would be carried around by the person until they could get them removed.
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Old 07-28-2009, 12:18 PM
 
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Call me crazy, but doesn’t the word “illegal” denote criminal activity?
Wellllll......yes and no. It's a complicated issue, and while 'breaking the law' sounds pretty much beyond argument...(you either 'broke' the law, or you didn't), in real life, 'breaking the law' just has a judgemental tone to it. There are NO illegal humans.

I had a cousin who was ALWAYS in jail...but he was kind to small animals, was a VERY good story-teller, an EXCELLENT barbecue chef, and was VERY good to his mother.

By the way....welcome back !!
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Old 07-28-2009, 01:40 PM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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Call me crazy, but doesn’t the word “illegal” denote criminal activity?
Not if you are from (usually) Latin America without permission to be here.
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Old 07-28-2009, 01:50 PM
 
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Entering the United State illegally was a felony up until 2002. Then Sen Bill Frist sponsor a bill and it passed to make it only a misdemeanor.
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