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Old 07-25-2009, 01:24 PM
 
Location: Sierra Vista, AZ
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Compared to the amount Bankers are bleeding out in interest every month or the amount being stolen by Defense contractors illegals hardly raise a stir
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Old 07-25-2009, 01:27 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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This is also a reflection of how economic fear causes those to scapegoat the weakest in society. Proposition 187 is a perfect example. 1994 was a time of economic trouble for CA. Here is analysis of the economic situation of CA in 1994. THE CALIFORNIA ECONOMY. California was hit much harder during the recession of the early 1990s than compared to the national average.

It could be the numbers are more indicative of a population in the grip of fear, than one propelled by disdain.


1994, eh?

That is about when the flood from Silicon Valley, came here.

That prop 187, would have saved California in so many ways.
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Old 07-25-2009, 02:26 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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Compared to the amount Bankers are bleeding out in interest every month or the amount being stolen by Defense contractors illegals hardly raise a stir
The old adage, two wrongs don't make a right works here.
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Old 07-25-2009, 03:16 PM
 
Location: SW MO
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This is also a reflection of how economic fear causes those to scapegoat the weakest in society.
Tell me you're not really serious. Either that or tell me what you're smoking.

Yessiree! Don't y'all scapegoaters take aim at them illegals and law breakers, ya hear!
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Old 07-25-2009, 05:19 PM
 
Location: Earth
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1994, eh?

That is about when the flood from Silicon Valley, came here.
NorCal was doing good, SoCal was still a basket case.

Interesting that even today there seems to be far more anti-illegal sentiment from SoCal than NorCal. My guess is because NorCal has been doing VERY SLIGHTLY better than SoCal recently.
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Old 07-25-2009, 05:24 PM
 
Location: San Antonio Texas
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1994, eh?

That is about when the flood from Silicon Valley, came here.

That prop 187, would have saved California in so many ways.
you are so right. I was happy to vote for 187 when it was on the ballot back then. i had worked for a Medi-Cal HMO in 1991 and saw so many illegals and their spawn milking the system that we workers had to pay for thru our taxes. It really opened my eyes as to what was going on. It has only gotten worse as more of them have kept coming.
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Old 07-26-2009, 12:06 AM
 
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Much of the problem is that while Mexico has a large and fast growing middle class, the type of people coming most often don't want to make the life-style choices that it takes to become middle class in Mexico. They would have to stay in school, get an education, delay childbearing and limit family size which is what it takes to be middle class in Mexico. Instead they can come to the USA, have all the babies they can't afford here and live like queens and never have to worry about working.
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Old 07-26-2009, 12:25 AM
 
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1994, eh?

That is about when the flood from Silicon Valley, came here.

That prop 187, would have saved California in so many ways.
Actually, the boom was around 1995-1996. California was technically in a recession in 1994. California had more jobs in 1990 than in 1994.
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Old 07-26-2009, 12:30 AM
 
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Tell me you're not really serious. Either that or tell me what you're smoking.

Yessiree! Don't y'all scapegoaters take aim at them illegals and law breakers, ya hear!
Tell me that you actually notice trends and historical data right? Either that or tell me that you'd rather have information as watered down and condensed into soundbits without any other bits of evidence.

It's been expressed on this VERY forum that "illegals caused this recession" or that "illegals will lead us to economic ruin"...this is called scapegoating. You picked a group (illegal immigrants) causing a certain event (economic recession or ruin).
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Old 07-26-2009, 12:36 AM
 
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<<It could be the numbers are more indicative of a population in the grip of fear,>>

It could be the numbers are more indicative of a population that realizes it's paying out much more for illegal aliens than they contribute.
Then why not during the peak of the illegal immigrant population (during the economic boom)? Historically, during periods of economic turmoil this occurs...During the great depression, there were movements of this sort...Operation WB corresponds to the recession of 1953-1954. Prop 187 happened during a recession. The point is that during economic turmoil, more people are afraid and want answers and solutions. Any answer and any solution...doesn't matter if it's the right answer or solution.
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