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Old 07-26-2009, 10:08 AM
 
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that is the sad part! we actually have available manpower to do the job, but the job is not going to get done. we will wait until the country cannot financially absorb the flow of one more illegal and then wonder how we got into such bad shape......
if people think this country is getting better they might want to look at the treasury bill sales. our government is printing money like it is going out of style just to try and keep up now. at what point do we lose this war and where the he** is our leader to fight this battle?
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Old 07-27-2009, 01:23 PM
 
Location: CITY OF ANGELS AND CONSTANT DANGER
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no no no!

there is no way to compare these.

because for all we know the dead trafficker might have had a weapon, thus justifying his murder.

see how "if" scenarios dont really work.

lets deal with the tragic case at hand!

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My point? Only that if BullBoxer31 had acted a split second earlier...and one of the "bad guys" had been the one to die, and BullBoxer31 was still walking around...then yes, by the time the media got to the story, and by the time it got up the the Attorney General of the US, then yes, as you suggest, "this case may very WELL have been seen 'exactly like THAT one'.."......and the 'bad guy' would have been a martyr, and BullBoxer31 would be headed for jail, or at least a long and ugly public 'trashing'...and his carreer probably would have been over, and his superiors probably would not have backed him up. And I'm sure this was in his mind that night, and I'm sure it affected the way he did his job.

But I wasn't there....nor. as far as I know, were you. So neither of us can 'judge'...right? And now he's dead.
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Old 07-27-2009, 01:28 PM
 
Location: southern california
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in america we reproach the victims, sympathize with the criminals and often jail the cops.
i doubt the american public with take much note of this murder.
if the officer had taken greater precautions i am sure there would have been charges of over use of force.
if he is dead however the department has no issues with his conduct.
i regret the loss of yet another BP officer.
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Old 07-27-2009, 01:35 PM
 
Location: CITY OF ANGELS AND CONSTANT DANGER
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this is a tragedy.

it WAS all over the news here in LA. this guy died doing his job.

its a dangerous job. its par for the course. my friends in law enforcement (from CO's to PD to BP) all know what comes with the job. he signed up for it. its sad it came down like this. i see what Del was getting at. this should be a story on how dangeorus it is for these guys. so what if he had kids. im sure he had siblings. im sure he had parents. im sure he had lots of people that depended on him. what if he didnt have any survivors? that does make this crime against an agent any better. well at least he didnt have kids.

this is a tragedy. we miss out on an upstanding citizen. i hope they do catc hthe killers and i hope they do make policy changes.

i was astounded when i heard that BP officer was alone! why?! maybe that should be looked into? then look at the radio contact. did he request back up? what led to the death of this guy.

its a tragedy all around.
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Old 07-27-2009, 01:36 PM
 
Location: CITY OF ANGELS AND CONSTANT DANGER
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i was a bit thrown off by your comment. but i get you.

maybe a "rest in peace" would have softened it.

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Maybe I wasnt clear enough earlier. Highlighting the fact in the article title and after that in the thread title that this man was a father of two exploits his memory in order to make a cheap political shot. If you dont see that I cant be any clearer.
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Old 07-27-2009, 02:32 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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I think the US-Mexico relationship has to do with keeping the Mexican government more or less in the US pocket so it doesnt fall into the hands of the populists and from there become another Venezuela. We have a lot of factories there...they're sort of an industrial annex for us. I think the US doesnt mind the drug wars because it lets us send our own agents (and by implication troops, later) back and forth to Mexico -- keep Mexico potentially controllable... no idea what Mexico has in mind for itself.

I dont really know about the relationship (obviously) but it's fascinating and Id like to learn more.
If the US wanted to do that we would have put troops on Mexican soil just as we have done in fifty other Countries.
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Old 07-27-2009, 06:49 PM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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If the US wanted to do that we would have put troops on Mexican soil just as we have done in fifty other Countries.
With Mexico's (probable) disintegration due to the drug wars-----------the odds are growing that our military will be in at least northern Mexico sooner than later.
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Old 07-27-2009, 06:54 PM
 
Location: CITY OF ANGELS AND CONSTANT DANGER
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ya right! thats ludicrous we dont even have a base in MX. the closest we will get is this side of the border (if at all, but a militarized border? )

anyhow mexico is not disintegrating. such hyperbole!

theres a drug war going on. thats it.

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With Mexico's (probable) disintegration due to the drug wars-----------the odds are growing that our military will be in at least northern Mexico sooner than later.
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Old 07-27-2009, 07:59 PM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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ya right! thats ludicrous we dont even have a base in MX. the closest we will get is this side of the border (if at all, but a militarized border? )

anyhow mexico is not disintegrating. such hyperbole!

theres a drug war going on. thats it.
Unlike Columbia: Mexico is next door so the odds are much greater that we may see some military action SoB.
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Old 07-28-2009, 08:30 AM
 
Location: Maryland
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One would think that our political reps would understand the concept that our Military's primary mission is the defence of this country against any and all enemies. I myself find it quite odd that we can patrol the border between 2 asian countries but not our own. We spent trillions patroling and safe guarding W.Germany during the cold war. How much do we spend on Egypt and Israel to keep them safe? And yet we can not afford to patrol our own border. A border that has led to so many American casualties. I would hazard that more American citizens have died over the last 9 years due to illegal alien crimes than soldiers killed in Afghanistan... How many rapes? How many drunk driving deaths? How many murders committed by illegals? And yet ? Now we have a family man killed doing his job. Soime would blame the man for doing a hazardous job.
Not me. I never blame the victim. I blame the criminals. In this case I blame the criminals in DC who refuse to do the right thing. The right thing is to use our very expensive but highly trained and well equiped military to guard our border and defend this country against all enemies.
I wholeheartedly agree. It defies logic for our government to protect the borders of other countries, while we leave our own borders open for any miscreant to enter at will. It only proves that our government is deliberately failing to secure our borders to facilitate the cheap (illegal) labor industry. I guess this BP agent, and well as thousands of other citizens killed by illegal aliens are simply considered collateral damage.
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