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Old 07-29-2009, 10:29 PM
 
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I obviously disagree on the DREAM Act.

As for free health care, you do realize that many hospitals have filed for bankruptcy or are facing financial problems because many illegal aliens who use free health care don't bother to pay for it?

It would be nice to bill the governments of the countries where the illegal aliens to came from to reimburse the costs but that seems unlikely.

I'm certain that there are many charities and religious establishments that would be willing to pay for the illegal aliens' health care.

Tax payer-funded free health care for illegal aliens is, in my opinion, financially burdensome and unnecessary.

I'll likely agree with you on scrapping unfair trade policies but I'm still undecided whether increased legal immigration will solve the issue.
Here's a thread that I posted on not long ago about whether or not we should include illegal immigrants in health care reform; it explains why I support giving illegal immigrants health care benefits. Mine is post #25. http://www.city-data.com/forum/polit...ml#post9855144

As for the Dream Act, I support it because many of these people were brought to the United States by their parents and they didn't have any say so in the matter. If you consider the mom and Dad criminals, I can understand that. But I don't think it's right to punish the kids for something their parents did.

I don't think that legal immigration alone will solve the issue, nor do I think scrapping NAFTA and CAFTA will either. I think a combination of those things, plus the other things I mentioned will solve it. I'm a US citizen and my wife is a legal immigrant. I sponsored her and they gave us the run around just to get her into the United States. I'm married to her; that should automatically give her the right to be a legal resident. But they made us prove that the marriage was a real marriage, which is bull****. I understand that some people pay Americans to get married so they can get a Visa and obviously the goverment should address this issue. My problem is that they made us prove the marriage was legit when it should be the other way around. The government should have to prove that the marriage is simply for resident status if they are going to deny visas.

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Old 07-29-2009, 10:33 PM
 
Location: Where laws can be ignored due to political correctness
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Here's a thread that I posted on not long ago about whether or not we should include illegal immigrants in health care reform; it explains why I support giving illegal immigrants health care benefits. Mine is post #25. http://www.city-data.com/forum/polit...ml#post9855144
Well, anyway, if anyone wants to discuss health care for illegal aliens it should be in the thread mentioned.

From now on the rest of the posts in this thread should be about Arpaio and his policies.
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Old 07-30-2009, 08:26 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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The Dream Act and health care.


I knew you would. We'll have to agree to disagree on that one.




In my opinion it would encourage more illegal immigration under certain conditions, but under other conditions it wouldn't. I think it's key to make it easier to immigrate legally, because if it wasn't so hard, less people would come here illegally. Plus legal immigrants don't drive down wages and that's the only problem that I have with the presence of illegal immigrants. I think NAFTA and CAFTA need to be eliminted. These agreements encourage a race to the bottom and it puts small farmers and small businesses out of business in Mexico and Central American. For example 2 million Mexican farmers have been forced to sell their land since NAFTA started because they can't compete with heavily subsidized corn produced by megafarms in the United States. So they sell their land and immigrate illegaly to the United States. These people don't want to leave their countries and their families behind, risking their lives to sneak across the border; they do it because they don't have any other way to make ends meet. If no one would offer them a job in the US as an illegal immigrant, they wouldn't come here illegally. This is why I want to punish employers that exploit illegal immigrant labor.
If is was easy to immigrate here we would have the population, and living conditions of China. The US can no longer continue to be the free social service of the planet.

Even states like CA, the most liberal of all States, have passed laws limiting the pillaging from Illegal Aliens. Sorry but the bank is empty and the home Countries of these people will have to step up and care for them.
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Old 07-30-2009, 10:15 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Has anyone noticed but me, that Bush had no strings attached to stimulus money. Where there are a lot of strings attached to push socialism and the lefts agenda, in the stimulus, if you accept it.

I really don't think Joe, wanted to accept the stimulus, so he would not have to accept the rules that go with it.
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Old 07-30-2009, 10:17 AM
 
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If is was easy to immigrate here we would have the population, and living conditions of China. The US can no longer continue to be the free social service of the planet.
Nice way to justify the government treating me and my family like criminals. It should be made easier to immigrate legally because for alot of people it's easier to immigrate illegally. We are going to have immigrants in the US whether you like it or not. Do you want them to be illegal and drive down wages or do you want them to be legal and compete fairly with the rest of us for jobs.
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Old 07-30-2009, 10:19 AM
 
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Well, anyway, if anyone wants to discuss health care for illegal aliens it should be in the thread mentioned.

From now on the rest of the posts in this thread should be about Arpaio and his policies.
Agreed. I really didn't want to get into the illegal immigration debate anyway, but it seems to always go down that road when Arpaio's name is brought up. From now on you and I will keep the debate on Arpaio.
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Old 07-30-2009, 10:29 AM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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Nice way to justify the government treating me and my family like criminals. It should be made easier to immigrate legally because for alot of people it's easier to immigrate illegally. We are going to have immigrants in the US whether you like it or not. Do you want them to be illegal and drive down wages or do you want them to be legal and compete fairly with the rest of us for jobs.
There are legal means to enter the United States. And while people from numerous countries legally immigrate to the US, one group in particular, those from the Country of Mexico, enter the US illegally in greater numbers than do the others.

Yet, there are MILLIONS of people from Mexico who have come the United States LEGALLY - they took the time and went through the process LEGALLY - yet others that are lazy and do not want to go through the process complain how "hard" it is to immigrate.

It is to those who did it the right way that we should NOT give amnesty to those who are too lazy. It would be a slap in the face of those good people who did it the right way.
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Old 07-30-2009, 10:41 AM
 
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There are legal means to enter the United States. And while people from numerous countries legally immigrate to the US, one group in particular, those from the Country of Mexico, enter the US illegally in greater numbers than do the others.
Most people don't have legal means to enter the United States, and if you had non-citizens in your family you would understand this. By the way, what is your understanding of how a citizen of another countyr is able to immigrate to the United States legally? The reason that so may people immigrate illegally from Mexico is because alot of people can't come here legally but anyone who can survive the long walk through the desert can come here illegally.
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Old 07-30-2009, 10:46 AM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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Most people don't have legal means to enter the United States, and if you had non-citizens in your family you would understand this. By the way, what is your understanding of how a citizen of another countyr is able to immigrate to the United States legally? The reason that so may people immigrate illegally from Mexico is because alot of people can't come here legally but anyone who can survive the long walk through the desert can come here illegally.
ANYONE from Mexico (or other countries) can apply to come to the United States legally.

The FACT of the matter is, they don't want to wait the time necessary due to the US quota's - they are impatient.

Do it LEGALLY, and be welcomed with open arms, or do it ILLEGALLY and be a criminal.

Your choice.
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Old 07-30-2009, 10:54 AM
 
Location: The Wine Country, CA
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Most people don't have legal means to enter the United States, and if you had non-citizens in your family you would understand this. By the way, what is your understanding of how a citizen of another countyr is able to immigrate to the United States legally? The reason that so may people immigrate illegally from Mexico is because alot of people can't come here legally but anyone who can survive the long walk through the desert can come here illegally.
As the son and grandchild of LEGAL immigrants from Japan I take offense to this.. My mother and grandmother entered the U.S. LEGALLY in the 1960's at a time when U.S. attitudes towards Asian folks weren't exactly the best.. But, they worked hard, learned English and became U.S. Citizens!!!

People immigrate legally and do this EVERY year.. If someone cannot go through the legal channels, they should NOT be entitled to stay in the U.S. because they took a "short cut".. U.S. and many other countries' citiziens is a priviledge NOT A right or an entitlement..

Also by not budgeting money for Sheriff Joe to enforce Immigration Law (which he seems to be doing better than ICE or this or the previous Presidential Administration) Obama is playing politics and again allowing his ethnocentric attitudes dictate his policies.. It's a shame too, I Voted for Obama and I now regret it..
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