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Old 07-31-2009, 08:18 AM
 
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Vandalism is a crime. Public art work with a city permit is not a crime. I too do not qualify that as art work but to each its own.
Well where I live there is so much graffiti and vandalism of other people's property and it's not being addressed. If this vandalism is prosecuted while other vandalism is not, then I would wonder why.
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Old 07-31-2009, 05:36 PM
 
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if they didnt like the mural they should've built a counter mural saying ilelgal immigration is a crime and no one is allowed to cross the border.

vanadlaism is unacceptable.
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Old 07-31-2009, 06:21 PM
 
Location: San Diego North County
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I have to disagree with you. Everyone is an immigrant unless you are 100% Native American. 80%? I dont know what to think of that number or how you came up with that number. There were plenty of immigrants that came in the 1920's and later too. There are plenty of immigrants that came in the 1960's and then there is the most recent wave of immigrants (legal and illegal).
I just have to ask....at what point is one no longer an immigrant?

Native Americans simply did not spring up from the ground here...neither did their ancestors evolve here. They emigrated from what is now known as Siberia.

Many Americans can trace their ancestry in this country back 400 years or more. They are not immigrants. My grandparents emigrated...I did not. I am not an immigrant.

Every person in the world with the exception of those native to certain parts of Africa had ancestors that emigrated elsewhere. So do you consider 95% of the world's population to be immigrants?

Following that line of logic--no one on the planet belongs anywhere...except the Olduvai Gorge in Africa......
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Old 07-31-2009, 06:34 PM
 
Location: California
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"I just have to ask....at what point is one no longer an immigrant?"

Helluva question ! I'm looking forward to the responses to this......
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Old 07-31-2009, 06:35 PM
 
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I just have to ask....at what point is one no longer an immigrant?

Native Americans simply did not spring up from the ground here...neither did their ancestors evolve here. They emigrated from what is now known as Siberia.

Many Americans can trace their ancestry in this country back 400 years or more. They are not immigrants. My grandparents emigrated...I did not. I am not an immigrant.

Every person in the world with the exception of those native to certain parts of Africa had ancestors that emigrated elsewhere. So do you consider 95% of the world's population to be immigrants?

Following that line of logic--no one on the planet belongs anywhere...except the Olduvai Gorge in Africa......
Excellent point, which I've tried repeatedly to make myself. Good for you.

A related question also often occurs to me...where is it, on earth, that a group of people live on land that "always" belonged to them....(or their direct ancestors), and which NEVER belonged to anyone else? Where is the nation that was NOT created by some group 'moving in' on another group....almost always, without being invited...and often, violently?

I can't think of very many places like this....and that makes about 98% of the human race "invaders" in a sense.....but, as you say, when DOES a group, or a population, get to drop the title of 'invaders'? When do people "belong" anywhere? When does a person born somewhere get to call himself a 'native'?
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Old 07-31-2009, 06:47 PM
 
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has anyone seen the mural? it said no one is ilelgal.

quite controversial and might make someone mad
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Old 07-31-2009, 07:15 PM
 
Location: California
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If the picture shown in post # 35 is the subject of this discussion, then yes, I have seen it.

I would hardly call it a mural though....more of a statement.
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Old 07-31-2009, 09:58 PM
 
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"I just have to ask....at what point is one no longer an immigrant?"

Helluva question ! I'm looking forward to the responses to this......
Maybe the sign maker should make a new sign that says "We are a world of immigrants", "every nation is a nation of immigrants".

There really is nothing unique about the USA, people arrived from Europe and Africa and Asia to Mexico, to Brazil, to Argentina, to Cuba, to Haiti, to England, to Germany, to South Africa, to Australia. People moved about all throughout Asia, Africa and Europe.

There is no country that isn't made of "immigrants" if the new definition of that word is anyone whose very distant ancestors migrated at some point.
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Old 07-31-2009, 10:27 PM
 
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Oops -- I take that back, we're an older country than Mexico actually.

Depending of course on what defines the beginning. Immigrants came to Mexico and established a new way before immigrants came to the USA but the American War of Independence occurred before the Mexican War of Independence.

So actually Mexico is newer and fresher.
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Old 07-31-2009, 11:00 PM
 
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Mexico was also built by European immigrants, African slaves and indigenous Indians. Today it also takes in immigrants from many nations.

Why do you despise Mexico so much?
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