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Old 08-12-2009, 08:51 PM
 
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[quote=Benicar;10248709]The photos you have shared represent the strategy illegal alien advocacy groups have employed to counter the notoriously stupid display of arrogance we witnessed during their massive marches in 2006. It was precisely the brazen prevalence of foreign (predominately Mexican) flags that opened the eyes of many citizens.

After the widespread backlash, La Raza, et al. instructed their “immigrant” marchers to display U.S. flags. They are not waving U.S. flags because they yearn to become citizens of this country. They are not waving U.S. flags because they appreciate the opportunities this country has afforded them, notwithstanding their illegal status. They are not waving U.S. flags because they “feel” American. They are only waving U.S. flags to further their agenda. Their “true” feelings were blatantly exhibited during their initial marches, and the damage has been done. We are not fooled.[/quote]


Benicar pretty much nailed this one.....

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Old 08-12-2009, 09:16 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles, Califas
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Some of these photos are from 2006. If you notice, the photos anti-immigrants like to show are more cropped. These, on the other hand, are much wider in scope, telling the whole story. These marches aren't organized. Lots of people just show up. You're talking about how they feel, and what they are saying, but you are not them.
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Old 08-12-2009, 09:39 PM
 
Location: Maryland
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Some of these photos are from 2006. If you notice, the photos anti-immigrants like to show are more cropped. These, on the other hand, are much wider in scope, telling the whole story. These marches aren't organized. Lots of people just show up. You're talking about how they feel, and what they are saying, but you are not them.
Anti-immigrants? And how do you know how they feel? I know what I saw; and it wasn’t a display of U.S. flags. I also know for a fact that illegal alien apologists have been quite upset over the defiance from their flock. In spite of repeated warnings, their marchers continue to display the Mexican flag prominently. These ingrates continue to thumb their noses at the citizens of this country, while demanding legalization. That takes a heck of a lot of nerve.

BTW, which photos are from the 2006 marches?
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Old 08-12-2009, 09:49 PM
 
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Anti-immigrant websites like to edit out photos of Latinos carrying American flags, choosing to crop photos to show the everpresent Hispanic nation flags. The rallies and marches are actually very diverse with many different types of people with different types of feelings.
You see some Mexican and other flags, but what do you see more of?

I went and watched the Mexicans protesting here --- definitely there were more Mexican flags.
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Old 08-12-2009, 09:53 PM
 
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Some of these photos are from 2006. If you notice, the photos anti-immigrants like to show are more cropped. These, on the other hand, are much wider in scope, telling the whole story. These marches aren't organized. Lots of people just show up. You're talking about how they feel, and what they are saying, but you are not them.
In 2006, there were two protests that La Raza organized. The first time, the illegals came out proudly waving their Mexican flags, chanting "mejico! mejico!" and Americans began to wake up. La Raza realized it's mistake and quickly ordered up some USA flags for the citizens of Mexico to wave for another quickly organized protest but the people looked a little confused by their new flags. Their hearts weren't into it as much the second time.
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Old 08-12-2009, 09:56 PM
 
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Some of these photos are from 2006. If you notice, the photos anti-immigrants like to show are more cropped. These, on the other hand, are much wider in scope, telling the whole story. These marches aren't organized. Lots of people just show up. You're talking about how they feel, and what they are saying, but you are not them.
Anyhow if these people had the slightest respect for the USA, they would respect the laws of this country.

Everything is about what they can get by with, how much they can insist that their national origin gives them some kind of privilege over all others and they are not expected to abide by this country's laws.

They would realize that the USA takes in far more immigrants by far than any other nation in the world and that immigration must be orderly, fair -- and legal. It cannot be about one group insisting they have some special right to break whatever laws inconvenience them.
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Old 08-12-2009, 10:06 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles, Califas
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In 2006, there were two protests that La Raza organized. The first time, the illegals came out proudly waving their Mexican flags, chanting "mejico! mejico!" and Americans began to wake up. La Raza realized it's mistake and quickly ordered up some USA flags for the citizens of Mexico to wave for another quickly organized protest but the people looked a little confused by their new flags. Their hearts weren't into it as much the second time.
You're being dramatic. You're telling it more like narrative a conveniently fitting your message, rather than an actual observation. I was at the marches.
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Old 08-12-2009, 10:19 PM
 
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The photos you have shared represent the strategy illegal alien advocacy groups have employed to counter the notoriously stupid display of arrogance we witnessed during their massive marches in 2006. It was precisely the brazen prevalence of foreign (predominately Mexican) flags that opened the eyes of many citizens.

After the widespread backlash, La Raza, et al. instructed their “immigrant” marchers to display U.S. flags. They are not waving U.S. flags because they yearn to become citizens of this country. They are not waving U.S. flags because they appreciate the opportunities this country has afforded them, notwithstanding their illegal status. They are not waving U.S. flags because they “feel” American. They are only waving U.S. flags to further their agenda. Their “true” feelings were blatantly exhibited during their initial marches, and the damage has been done. We are not fooled.[/quote]


Benicar pretty much nailed this one.....
Exactly. The early 'Mexican Flag' outbursts were a HUGE P.R. disaster...the 'backfire' was tremendous, and I personally witnessed several of the most 'bleeding heart' illegal 'boosters' turned off by this brazen, ill-planned debacle.

The sudden surge of American flags was obvious to ANYONE who was watching. Nothing more than 'damage control', that's all it was. Even the local CATHOLIC newspaper noted the 'sudden change'. Pretty obvious what was going on. These guys may be loud, 'in-your-face', and persistent....but I've never heard them called 'smooth', or 'overly sophisticated'. Their agenda is pretty much 'out in the open', for all to see.
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Old 08-12-2009, 11:16 PM
 
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Some of these photos are from 2006. If you notice, the photos anti-immigrants like to show are more cropped. These, on the other hand, are much wider in scope, telling the whole story. These marches aren't organized. Lots of people just show up. You're talking about how they feel, and what they are saying, but you are not them.

In Chicago, these marches were carefully planned and orchestrated by the latino activist groups. They bussed people in from as far away as Wisconsin. I saw the rows of busses that were lined up to transport the 'protestors' back home. I suspect the same antics went on elswhere. There was nothing at all spontaneous about these displays.
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Old 08-13-2009, 02:06 AM
 
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In Chicago, these marches were carefully planned and orchestrated by the latino activist groups. They bussed people in from as far away as Wisconsin. I saw the rows of busses that were lined up to transport the 'protestors' back home. I suspect the same antics went on elswhere. There was nothing at all spontaneous about these displays.
The 2006 (1st march), or national walkout was not spontaneous. It was carefully planned. It was set for the day of the worker, it was announced on TV by famous actors and important figures such as Edward James Olmos, radio talk hosts and TV news reporters. The media was alerted that the march was going to happen and there were permits to close the roads, specifically for this peaceful march. There were guest speakers such as immigrant muslims that had been descriminated against to give their own testimony as well as other speakers. Nothing was spontaneous... except there was no code of conduct. Those that showed up, some brought the mexican flags (which to be honest with you, it really did bother me) and some waved both as a sign of solidarity and sovereignty among both countries. There were many that did carry the American flag. The marches after that have been smaller, less media involved, etc. People are asked to come and they just show up, no plan, no agenda.
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