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View Poll Results: is opposing illegal immigration but supporting legal immigration anti-immigrant?
no 67 74.44%
yes 23 25.56%
Voters: 90. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 08-13-2009, 01:04 PM
 
Location: Democratic Peoples Republic of Redneckistan
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That was probably intentional? Or not.
I might agree with you,but I have to think about it.Or not
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Old 08-16-2009, 08:59 AM
 
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I'm sick of this country letting in the entire goddamn world, legal or illegally, and allowing them to get benefits.

The only way people should be able to get in is if they bring a skill or talent and won't leech off the country.

We cannot and should not be letting in a family of 9 from Liberia. Or hell, there was a group of refugees allowed in here not too long ago and within 48hours of being in the country one had stabbed another. We don't need this garbage.
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Old 08-17-2009, 10:23 PM
 
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Both are out of control.

If you haven't seen Immigration Gumballs, do so.

Immigration Gumballs


and

Impacts of Illegal Immigration: American Infrastructure
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Old 08-19-2013, 12:55 PM
 
Location: South Portland, ME
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They are one in the same because there should not be any limits on immigration in the first place. So the terms 'legal immigration' and 'illegal immigration' make no sense. Either you think people should be able to move (and work) where ever they want, or you don't.

If you have a problem with people taking advantage of the welfare system, then your issue should be with the welfare system, not with immigration.

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We cannot and should not be letting in a family of 9 from Liberia.
Why? If they can pay for and support themselves, then what is the problem? If you don't think the government should pay for their food/housing, then that's fine, but that is not the same as saying "they shouldn't be able to come here".

Of course they should be able to come here. But if they get here and starve because they can't afford it, or find work, then it's up to them to leave, it's not up to where ever they show up to support them.

But it's ALSO not up to that same location to have to support the single mother just down the street with 6 kids who doesn't work either. Why should she get free food/housing but the people from Liberia shouldn't? That makes no sense. Just because they were born somewhere else, "**** them", but this ******* who won't keep her legs shut, yes let's keep throwing money at her to let her stay here? Great argument...

No, your issue is not with "immigration", it is with welfare.

If a family of 9 from Liberia wants to move here, and can find jobs/support themselves, then why shouldn't they be able to?
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Old 08-19-2013, 01:00 PM
 
Location: South Portland, ME
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I support legal immigration and would have no problems with illegals if they made halfway attempts at learning the English language and making sure their kids learned it as well. But I'm absolutely sick of looking at dual languaged signs in english/spanish and hearing customer service on the phone in english/spanish. And the fact that they dont pay taxes but EVERYONE knows our taxpayers dollars are going to fund something that benefits them. Absolutely ridiculous...
Who cares what language "they" speak? Oh no, you might have to learn some new words. God forbid! But, on the other hand, don't you think they would make more of an effort to learn the local language and customs IF THEY FELT WELCOMED? Would you bother trying to learn the language of a location that you moved to if they called you an "illegal" and basically told you "you aren't one of us"?


Also, don't you realize that the ONLY REASON they don't pay taxes is because they aren't allowed to. If you let them get citizenship, then they would immediately start paying taxes. Making them "illegal" means they CANNOT pay taxes. You are the one who is preventing them from paying taxes (by making it impossible for them to pay), and then you are complaining about them not paying!! lol
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Old 08-19-2013, 03:09 PM
 
Location: Pa
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Every nation on the planet has immigration laws and rightly so. These laws are intended to or should be designed to protect the interests of the nation. The needs of the applicant are irrelevant. Does the USA need 100,000 people who can not speak the common language of our nation? NO
Do we need 100,000 people who can't read or write and have few marketable skills? NO
Does the USA need 100,000 people who would be unable to support themselves? NO
What we do need are educated immigrants who are willing to adapt and apply themselves. We need people with skills this country lacks.
I support legal immigration, I am married to a legal immigrant now a citizen. I am absolutely against illegal immigration. Never reward a cheat, never reward the criminal.
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Old 08-19-2013, 03:32 PM
 
Location: Pa
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Who cares what language "they" speak? Oh no, you might have to learn some new words. God forbid! But, on the other hand, don't you think they would make more of an effort to learn the local language and customs IF THEY FELT WELCOMED? Would you bother trying to learn the language of a location that you moved to if they called you an "illegal" and basically told you "you aren't one of us"?


Also, don't you realize that the ONLY REASON they don't pay taxes is because they aren't allowed to. If you let them get citizenship, then they would immediately start paying taxes. Making them "illegal" means they CANNOT pay taxes. You are the one who is preventing them from paying taxes (by making it impossible for them to pay), and then you are complaining about them not paying!! lol
So an entire nation should learn the languages of every immigrant that enters rather than the immigrant learn the language of the host nation? Yes that makes perfect sense. NOT.
If they felt welcomed? Do you go places where you are not wanted? I don't. Iran for example. NO I would never go there.
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Old 08-19-2013, 03:56 PM
 
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The poll and this topic is ridiculous anyway. Of course someone can support legal immigration while being opposed to illegal immigration and it does not make them anti-"immigrant". Sounds like one of the claims that the pro-illegals always make and the lines they blur between legal and illegal to call those of us for the enforcement of our immigration laws as being anti-"immigrant". This nonsense gets nauseating after awhile.
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Old 08-19-2013, 07:02 PM
 
Location: SoCal
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No, anti-illegal immigration is not necessarily anti-immigration.
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Old 08-19-2013, 07:05 PM
 
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is it possible for someone to support legal immigration but be opposed to illegal immigration?

i've been told that if you don't like illegal immigrants, you're anti-immigrant and racist and xenophobic and everything bad.

is that true?

does anti-illegal immigration = anti-immigration?

explain...

Pretty simple and uncomplicated: Legal Immigration is"Legal", Illegal Immigration is "Illegal".

I have no problem with anyone who immigrates legally like my Grandmother and the rest of her family in the 1920's. They followed the law, met all the requirements and were allowed to immigrate not a problem.
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