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Old 09-07-2009, 11:35 AM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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Has there ever been an occasion when people south of the border have accepted any personal responsibility for the situation they are in?
Apparently; personal responsibility may not be a Mexican trait----------judging by the huge number of Spanish speakers here in the USA illegally.
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Old 09-07-2009, 01:26 PM
 
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How can Mexico fix itself when WE encourage bad economic practices and policies SOB? Remember de La Madrid, Portillo, and Salinas (the 1980s). They heralded in policies to support US interests and liberalize the markets so that US companies can compete. What happened is that the wealth gap increased.

The IMF and World Banks are even worse at helping. Look at what happened to Argentina and Jamaica.

The reality is that the developing nations need help from the developed nations. Since it is partly the fault of the developed nations.

BTW, read up on what I mean by Supply and Demand...because you are looking at it from the wrong prism. To understand illegal immigration, you have to look from ALL perspectives.

The drug wars are also because WE CONSUME Mexican drugs. Again, it's all supply and demand.
Sorry I still stand by if all the ill legals here fought for there rights and truely wanted a better life they could suceed.

Supply and Demand, for these people it is a lot less than you seem to think.
Mainly for low income and middle class americans. sure we always have a group that want to take advantage of them. But I think as it becomes politcally incorrect to do so many will see the light.
You say undeveloped countries need help, to some extent its true and we are seeing american farmers moving the crops to mexico.
We see american manufacturing plants there too, but I dont think we can or should do everything for them. Bottom line is mexico is ripe for civil war.
Look at chile, when they had the coups, after look at the good growth they had and have now. economy went up 8 percent.

The drugs , the drugs! the media games.drug use ill legal is low in the usa, we have legal drugs now! havent you seen the weed places?
or just go the doctor. The ill legal users are most likely well you ya know of ill legal types.
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Old 09-07-2009, 02:07 PM
 
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Has there ever been an occasion when people south of the border have accepted any personal responsibility for the situation they are in?

"One of the cultural factors that must be taken into consideration when doing business in Mexico is the built-in tendency of many Mexicans to avoid taking personal responsibility for their behavior in their work or in other matters. And the reason for this is historical. For most of the 300-year reign of Spain in Mexico (1521-1821), the Spanish overlords treated the native Indian populations as if they were incapable of sophisticated reasoning and unable to take responsibility for their actions."

Fixing and maintaining responsibility in Mexico | World Café
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Old 09-07-2009, 03:45 PM
 
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"One of the cultural factors that must be taken into consideration when doing business in Mexico is the built-in tendency of many Mexicans to avoid taking personal responsibility for their behavior in their work or in other matters. And the reason for this is historical. For most of the 300-year reign of Spain in Mexico (1521-1821), the Spanish overlords treated the native Indian populations as if they were incapable of sophisticated reasoning and unable to take responsibility for their actions."

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Thankyou for telling this, and all this time I thought they were just
lackadaisical . poor people just have no self respect at all ?
Shame on them also for letting the rich gringo and evil coyotes treat them likewise?
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Old 09-07-2009, 03:58 PM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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"One of the cultural factors that must be taken into consideration when doing business in Mexico is the built-in tendency of many Mexicans to avoid taking personal responsibility for their behavior in their work or in other matters. And the reason for this is historical. For most of the 300-year reign of Spain in Mexico (1521-1821), the Spanish overlords treated the native Indian populations as if they were incapable of sophisticated reasoning and unable to take responsibility for their actions."

Fixing and maintaining responsibility in Mexico | World Café
Talk about a kick in the (metaphorical) crotch of the la raza types............

Needless to say: Mexico needs to grow up or they better face the growing likelihood of the USA finishing off what was started back in 1848-53.
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Old 09-07-2009, 09:02 PM
 
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Has there ever been an occasion when people south of the border have accepted any personal responsibility for the situation they are in?
Actually, hence the economic reforms of the 1980s and the 1990s that increased wealth disparity.
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Old 09-07-2009, 09:12 PM
 
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Sorry I still stand by if all the ill legals here fought for there rights and truely wanted a better life they could suceed.

Supply and Demand, for these people it is a lot less than you seem to think.
Mainly for low income and middle class americans. sure we always have a group that want to take advantage of them. But I think as it becomes politcally incorrect to do so many will see the light.
You say undeveloped countries need help, to some extent its true and we are seeing american farmers moving the crops to mexico.
We see american manufacturing plants there too, but I dont think we can or should do everything for them. Bottom line is mexico is ripe for civil war.
Look at chile, when they had the coups, after look at the good growth they had and have now. economy went up 8 percent.

The drugs , the drugs! the media games.drug use ill legal is low in the usa, we have legal drugs now! havent you seen the weed places?
or just go the doctor. The ill legal users are most likely well you ya know of ill legal types.
Unfortunately, you are seeing from a one sided lens. I think that this is the greatest downfall of our nation. Our isolationist fringe elements tend to frame the discussion without the other party (they need to do blank, blank blank). Often, we do not take responsibility for the things that lead to these problems.

The fact that you do not understand how supply and demand work for illegal immigration (the supply is here, and demand is rising from there)...shows how you are framing this debate. It does not take into consideration all factors, just a select few.

Underdeveloped nations (there is NO such thing as an undeveloped nation, btw) at times MUST adopt reforms that actually harm them. Jamaica needed to increase trade with the outside world. This killed the once thriving textile industry in Jamaica. As a result, American corporations set shop on the island (buying failed mills). Thus, less revenue came to Jamaica. In many nations, the host country sees a small percentage of total revenue. This is why China and Japan are known for discouraging foriegn companies from getting too much a foothold (many American plants in China are at least partly Chinese owned). Poorer nations can't leverage this, since they lack the capital. Chile BTW has been affected by the economic downturn; Chile grew only .2% Q4 2008.

The reference to drugs was drawing a parallel to prohibition...the creation of a black market.
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