Anyone Up For A Little Immigration? (naturalization, born, NAFTA, illegals)

[RedNC]

I saw this a few months ago.
Every “real American” needs to see this. It is an amazing visual display of the impact of these invaders that can not be disputed.

[JoeJoeMan]

You have to ask yourself what kind of government/leaders do we have that allow millions of people to just flood into your country, or should I say what use to be your country.
And to prove a previous point I made about neither political party being any different, you notice that neither party is doing anything about it, you would think that if either party want to capture the nations support they would have are real leader stand up and say, "it's our damn'd country and we ain't putting up with it for one more minute"...........now that would be the man who'd get voted president.
We have our own boys on the other side of the world getting killed to protect the people in another country and we won't even protect our own borders here at home. What's that figure - 3000 americans every year are killed at the hands of illegals right here in our own country.....I have a hard time finding names dispicable enough to describe our politicians let alone say them.
I blame them all including our own represenatives of Montana even if they say they don't want illegals, if I was senator of montana, I'd walk out of the senate and go stand down on the border, and embarass the other representatives to do the same, and when they put the TV camera on me I'd call for the president's empeachment.
How could you be the president of a country and alow the invasion of your own country.
Why do we even have an army when people can just walk in and invade us, then they start telling us what to do, if that ain't invading your country and taking it over, you tell me what is.

[citigirl]

"3000 americans every year are killed at the hands of illegals right here in our own country"


I just heard on the news that 10,000 Americans have been killed in the past year by illegal immigrants.

[Hawkeye48]

I used to be a corrections officer at the Douglas County Jail in Omaha. At the time the jail was about one third illegals. And almost all of them were held on either murder, rape, or drug dealing/transportation charges.

[lammius]

The gumball thing was cute but his charts are total b.s. His "red" dangerous population growth attributable to immigrants includes the descendents of immigrants who arrived post-1970. Descendents aren't immigrants. By 2050, the great grandchildren of 1970s immigrants are included in the red portion. Are the great grandchildren of immigrants immigrants themselves? No. Are they part of the "immigration problem?" I myself am the great grandchild of an immigrant who came from Ireland 90 years ago. Am I part of the "immigration problem?" If he selected 1790 for his arbitrary start date rather than 1970, I'm sure about 98% of the American population would be in the red area.

Also, in the very beginning, he talks about how our infrastructure has had to double because immigration has doubled the population growth #. Immigration may have doubled our growth (maybe, i'm not sure), but it didn't double the entire population (which = the demand for services). The demand for roads is growing astronomically not because there are tons of new immigrants on the roads, but all of us drive much more now and over greater distances now than we did 30 years ago.

Also, as he mentioned, about 200 million Americans are missing from his chart, in a green area you'll have to imagine below where he cuts it off. It makes his eye-popping order of magnitude a bit exaggerated.

I'm not saying that the guy is entirely wrong in what his point is. But it's not the most convincing argument, and if you aren't distracted by the pretty colors and cute gumballs you'll see that it's not at all objective and presented in a manner of exaggeration to get a reaction.

[RedNC]

Originally Posted by lammius

The gumball thing was cute but his charts are total b.s. His "red" dangerous population growth attributable to immigrants includes the descendents of immigrants who arrived post-1970. Descendents aren't immigrants. By 2050, the great grandchildren of 1970s immigrants are included in the red portion. Are the great grandchildren of immigrants immigrants themselves? No. Are they part of the "immigration problem?" I myself am the great grandchild of an immigrant who came from Ireland 90 years ago. Am I part of the "immigration problem?" If he selected 1790 for his arbitrary start date rather than 1970, I'm sure about 98% of the American population would be in the red area.

Also, in the very beginning, he talks about how our infrastructure has had to double because immigration has doubled the population growth #. Immigration may have doubled our growth (maybe, i'm not sure), but it didn't double the entire population (which = the demand for services). The demand for roads is growing astronomically not because there are tons of new immigrants on the roads, but all of us drive much more now and over greater distances now than we did 30 years ago.

Also, as he mentioned, about 200 million Americans are missing from his chart, in a green area you'll have to imagine below where he cuts it off. It makes his eye-popping order of magnitude a bit exaggerated.

I'm not saying that the guy is entirely wrong in what his point is. But it's not the most convincing argument, and if you aren't distracted by the pretty colors and cute gumballs you'll see that it's not at all objective and presented in a manner of exaggeration to get a reaction.

Apparently you missed the point. The immigration levels in 1975 were at a reasonable level. Today’s numbers plus the millions sneaking in every year are unsustainable.
Go to a border state like CA and tell me there isn’t a problem.

[lammius]

No, I saw the point. It's just that his displays that are intended to "wow" and shock the audience are designed to visually exaggerate his evidence. I've been to CA many many many times, I work in Koreatown in NYC, I live in an immigrant infused area of NJ. I'm not yet convinced either way whether immigration is the problem or we're the problem.

[TexasNick]

I think you're wrong lammius. Watch the video again. And what do you mean "we're the problem". OKay, I see why you don't like that video. Nice try

[lammius]

I've watched the video 3 times. I get his point, but the graphics are just intended to get a jaw-drop out of an audience. I don't see much value in it.

And what I meant about not knowing where the problem is, is that I haven't witnessed the deterrioration of US society that supposedly accompanies all of the immigration. I'm not an educated debator on this issue, but when I hear people talk about being afraid of immigration, the feeling I usually hear is that people are just afraid of a Hispanic majority in this country. That doesn't bother me.

[RedNC]

Originally Posted by lammius

I've watched the video 3 times. I get his point, but the graphics are just intended to get a jaw-drop out of an audience. I don't see much value in it.

And what I meant about not knowing where the problem is, is that I haven't witnessed the deterrioration of US society that supposedly accompanies all of the immigration. I'm not an educated debator on this issue, but when I hear people talk about being afraid of immigration, the feeling I usually hear is that people are just afraid of a Hispanic majority in this country. That doesn't bother me.

IT’S ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION THAT’S THE PROBLEM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!