The Dark Side of Diversity (immigrate, Republicans, Reed, conservative)

[Kele]

Originally Posted by PNW-type-gal

You can't quote from worldnetdaily and complain about someone else's intelligence.

This is not a research article, it is is an op ed piece. One person's opinion. Just because you may not agree with what they have to say at WND doesn't mean that it is completely without merit.

I don't always agree with everything they publish, but I think this piece is a very telling editorial about the effects of unchecked immigration, whether legal or illegal. Jerome Corsi has a Ph.D. in Political Science from Harvard University. I am well aware of the acumen and effort it takes to get a doctorate in this country, especially at an Ivy League college. Dr. Corsi is not some uneducated goon running his mouth about things he doesn't understand. I don't allow the fact that we don't see eye to eye on every issue to close my mind to the possibility that he might write something perspicacious and spot on.

But of course, I've read your other posts. You're an open borders fanatic who believes in revisionist history, so I don't really expect any sort of impartial or objective dialogue with you.

[Kele]

Originally Posted by KerrTown

The name of the topic alone seems to be racist.

Ask the people living in Europe if they understand the title. I guarantee you they do.

[Uriah]

Innocent people lost their lives and that is tragic. It should not be turned into an immigration debate. None of us truly know this person's past, what they went through, their mental state of mind, or who they really were inside. It has just turned into blaming deaths on immigrants. Yes we are ALL immigrants. I can claim some Native American heritage as well but I won't sit here and say I am not an immigrant. My ancestors may have been here since the 1600's, I may have been born here along with my parents and their parents. It doesn't matter we ARE immigrants.

[faith10]

Originally Posted by LeavingFlorida05

Yep, multiculturalism, while it's a nice idea, simply does not work. It leads to people feeling isolated.

Well said. I think diversity of cultures is nice to visit but not to live with for the long run as we are now seeing more and more.

[faith10]

Originally Posted by foma

When you refer to immigration as an invasion, I see that as a very antagonistic opinion. You say Americans no longer share the old ties of history and ask how is it that immigrants can share these ties. I can guarantee you that I know more about U.S. "history, heritage, faith, language, tradition, culture, music, myth and morality" than you do about mine because I choose to diversify my knowledge and view of the world. Your statements lead me to believe that you are not open to our melting pot society and all the statements you make regarding this "immigration invasion" means you will never concede to the fact that America is a nation of change (look at all of the amendments to the Constitution) and you yourself will never be willing to assimilate to societal changes. You're right, there are bad aspects but there are also very good ones.

The standards of assimilation are very sujbective. I read a post earlier about how Muslim women should give up wearing their hijab (the veil they use to cover their face/hair) if they want to live in America. This person wanted them to give up part of their culture/heritage/religion, something that has been a part of their life since the day they were born. That is a pure abomination of our first amendment rights. I knew a girl once who wore a hijab, listend to rock music, loved the Beatles, and spoke perfect English. You can't get more assimilated than that.

For the record, I never called you a racist nor suggested you were one. I just thought your opinions were very one-sided. You say your frustration is aimed towards the gov't but all I got was immigrants don't assimilate and you bashing a kid who moved to the States through no choice of his own. And of course, your list of non-American criminals and your insinuation that all immigrants need to go b'c they'll turn out to be lawless human beings.

What was Cho doing here? He moved to the States when he was like 10 or something, he was a CHILD. His parents made the decision to move the family to the United States because they were poor in Korea and felt that they could have a better life in the States. Cho never secretly hated "us" and I am assuming by us, you mean American citizens. Who he hated were those kids who made fun of him and teased him. He was jealous of the rich kids who grew up with a silverspoon in their mouth and probably gave him no respect. He was an outcast who never fit in. He was deranged. I am extremely empathetic toward the victims' families and in no way am I condoning what he did but Cho is no different than the murderers of Columbine. The situation had nothing to do with immigration or diversity but people like you, I believe, want to make this an immigration issue and quite frankly, I am starting to get very annoyed (not with you but the issue).

You're right, it was racially biased of me to suggest that dry cleaners and and nail salons are the "sole proprietorship of Asians". The point I was trying to make is that immigrants play an imporant role in the US economy just as you and I do. Our immigration system, although imperfect, provide a wealth or resourceful people who do want to work hard and be part of society, and assimilation should be the opinion of each individual - we are afterall a free-thinking society. Where you and I differ is that you look at being American as a separate entity from being an immigrant. You can't have one without the other, IMHO.

By the way, I'm not the one who started spitting out a laundry list of non-Americans committing crimes. You've had your rebuttal and I've had mine. I'm sure we can just agree to disagree at this point.

"Our melting pot society" is boiling over and starting to burn.

[Uriah]

Originally Posted by faith10

"Our melting pot society" is boiling over and starting to burn.

It has never been a melting pot. We are a diverse group of people, we are more of a salad than anything. All everyone has to do is learn to live together. Isn't that what children are taught ..to get along with one another. To share and be kind to others. Diversity works if ALL parts work together. Which means no fighting about who can and can't be here. No arguing about who has the right to have something. Becoming open minded. I have never been one to follow a crowd or the herd. I won't start now. This is like saying a child who has a learning disability shouldn't be in a class with children who don't because it might "slow" the progress of the other children. No need to get offended, I'm talking from personal experience when I say child with learning disability. It would be great if everyone took a diversity class, or even better communications class.

[LeavingFlorida05]

Originally Posted by Uriah

Innocent people lost their lives and that is tragic. It should not be turned into an immigration debate. None of us truly know this person's past, what they went through, their mental state of mind, or who they really were inside. It has just turned into blaming deaths on immigrants. Yes we are ALL immigrants. I can claim some Native American heritage as well but I won't sit here and say I am not an immigrant. My ancestors may have been here since the 1600's, I may have been born here along with my parents and their parents. It doesn't matter we ARE immigrants.

While my ancestors might have been immigrants, I am not and neither are you. We were born here.

im·mi·grant (ĭm'ĭ-grənt)
n.
A person who leaves one country to settle permanently in another.

You're trying to change the meaning of the word. I'm sorry, but I'm not buying it.

[LeavingFlorida05]

Originally Posted by Uriah

It has never been a melting pot. We are a diverse group of people, we are more of a salad than anything. All everyone has to do is learn to live together. Isn't that what children are taught ..to get along with one another. To share and be kind to others. Diversity works if ALL parts work together. Which means no fighting about who can and can't be here. No arguing about who has the right to have something. Becoming open minded. I have never been one to follow a crowd or the herd. I won't start now. This is like saying a child who has a learning disability shouldn't be in a class with children who don't because it might "slow" the progress of the other children. No need to get offended, I'm talking from personal experience when I say child with learning disability. It would be great if everyone took a diversity class, or even better communications class.

This is very idealistic. It does not work in practice. The reason Americans got along in the past is because the population was much lower. We are now overpopulated. That's a major source of the violence. Humans are violent, by nature. It's what we are.

[texanborn]

Originally Posted by Uriah

Innocent people lost their lives and that is tragic. It should not be turned into an immigration debate. None of us truly know this person's past, what they went through, their mental state of mind, or who they really were inside. It has just turned into blaming deaths on immigrants. Yes we are ALL immigrants. I can claim some Native American heritage as well but I won't sit here and say I am not an immigrant. My ancestors may have been here since the 1600's, I may have been born here along with my parents and their parents. It doesn't matter we ARE immigrants.

Words of a true liberal "Yes we are ALL immigrants"

Well I have a news flash for you, I'm not an immigrant, my parents were not immigrants, my grand parents were not immigrants and i can go on...One of my Great Great Great grandfathers fought in the civil war for the Union, he was not an immigrant...

Maybe in the past some of my ancestors may have be immigrants but I AM NOT AN IMMIGRANT...

As I first said you speak as a true liberal......

I am an American and only an American.......

[LeavingFlorida05]

texasborn, please stop labeling him. There's nothing necessarily wrong with being a liberal. What is wrong is intellectual dishonesty (and altering definitions is intellectually dishonest). Let's avoid name calling. I'm sure there are some issues where you and I both agree with Uriah.