One in three Mexicans would like to immigrate to the U.S. - half would be willing to do it illegally (medical, visa)
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This poll doesn't really mean anything. If I were to go to most developing countries in the world I would receive a very similar response to what is said in this poll. Of course people living in impoverished conditions are going to want to escape since living illegally in the USA is probably better than living legally in their respective countries.
This is a fact that will never change unless their standards of living go up, or ours suddenly drops. Instead, of just singling out Mexicans because they are geographically closest to us and numerically largest we should be focusing on enforcement, stopping incentives for ALL illegals to come here, and political pressure for reforms in their respective countries.
See, you have to focus on Mexicans. That's not what was being talked about. She stated people are cowardly fleeing their countries. Why does that only apply to Mexicans and not all immigrants, legal or otherwise?
Reread benicar's post; your reply and my reply to yours.
Face it: the pro illegals are losing the battle-----------big time. Translation: if here illegally; leave the USA while it is relatively safe to do so----------otherwise, they will need to deal with the very real prospect of having their assets seized as well as sitting in internment camps prior to their permanent expulsion from here.
One might break down the post as it was meant to be interpreted.
The post says : Yes, it’s absolutely pathetic. Yet, when they come here, they proclaim their undying love for Mexico, wave the Mexican flag, and strive to transform our country into the third-world squalor they so cowardly fled.
They enter illegally. They flee their homeland, without regard to our laws because it was so bad for them.
They come here and try to make us change for them. They wave the flag of the country they ran from in our faces.
When you look at the communities they over run often you see conditions and squalor like that of their origins.
What is cowardly is the fact that they didn't have the guts, the determination, the drive, or the urgency to change their home land. But, now they have it all to protect what they have taken illegally.
That was the point of Benecars post.
Thank you! That is precisely what I was saying. Sorry, I can't rep you.
See, you have to focus on Mexicans. That's not what was being talked about. She stated people are cowardly fleeing their countries. Why does that only apply to Mexicans and not all immigrants, legal or otherwise?
I mentioned Mexico, because the thread specifically relates to a poll taken by Mexican citizens. Now, had the poll involved Haitians, I would have commented accordingly. Please refer to Tinman’s post #9 for further clarification.
Don't you love it? They are unhappy with the things in their own country, but rather than banding together and working for change, all they can think about is heading for El Norte and hopping on board the Great American Gravy Train. God help us!
That's the problem. It's very easy to simply pack up and head to the USA and demand amnesty and welfare handouts in the USA, why bother to reform your country or make needed changes in your own way of living that would improve yourselves?
Get pregnant without a husband at age 16? No problem, get over the border to a USA hospital in time for the birth and it's a free ride the rest of your life. Never want to work again? Head on over! Forgot to save money for your retirement? Get a relative to sponsor you and it's big fat US social security disabillity checks and you can live like a king or queen.
This poll doesn't really mean anything. If I were to go to most developing countries in the world I would receive a very similar response to what is said in this poll. Of course people living in impoverished conditions are going to want to escape since living illegally in the USA is probably better than living legally in their respective countries.
This is a fact that will never change unless their standards of living go up, or ours suddenly drops. Instead, of just singling out Mexicans because they are geographically closest to us and numerically largest we should be focusing on enforcement, stopping incentives for ALL illegals to come here, and political pressure for reforms in their respective countries.
In Mexico IF they stay in school, finish their education, obtain job skills, delay the start of a family until after those and after they've found a job that can support a family and limit family size to what they can afford, they can become part of Mexico's growing middle class.
It's just so much easier to skip all that, get to the USA where no one fails. Here there's no reason to finish school, learn job skills, delay having children, or limit family size. In fact here the more kids, the more food stamps, WIC, and bigger housing subsidy.
Over half of Mexican girls living in the USA have at least one baby before age 20, the vast majority as unwed mothers. They certainly are not "improving themselves", they are not better than the hard working people living in Mexico. They might have all the materialistic things because that's how we do it here, but they are not better just because they snuck over the border.
This poll doesn't really mean anything. If I were to go to most developing countries in the world I would receive a very similar response to what is said in this poll. Of course people living in impoverished conditions are going to want to escape since living illegally in the USA is probably better than living legally in their respective countries.
This is a fact that will never change unless their standards of living go up, or ours suddenly drops. Instead, of just singling out Mexicans because they are geographically closest to us and numerically largest we should be focusing on enforcement, stopping incentives for ALL illegals to come here, and political pressure for reforms in their respective countries.
That's the problem. It's very easy to simply pack up and head to the USA and demand amnesty and welfare handouts in the USA, why bother to reform your country or make needed changes in your own way of living that would improve yourselves?
Get pregnant without a husband at age 16? No problem, get over the border to a USA hospital in time for the birth and it's a free ride the rest of your life. Never want to work again? Head on over! Forgot to save money for your retirement? Get a relative to sponsor you and it's big fat US social security disabillity checks and you can live like a king or queen.
I work for the CA Department of Health Care Services. In short, Medi-Cal. There is an awful lot of what you describe going on here. However, while a baby born here gets certain rights, the same can't be said of the parent(s). They are still subject to the immigration laws. Whether enforcement is adequate is another story. Also, the laws have changed and benefits are being denied, and reduced at increasing rates.
Just how easy it is to "pack up and head to the USA..." is also debatable. Many die trying and many are turned back time and time again. Also, this living like a king or queen is debatable. Most of us here are used to a much higher standard of living and would not even consider trying to live on the welfare these people get. It would only feel like royalty if you were used to having nothing. Still. Abuse is abuse. And yes, it does go on. The debate is so often to what extent it does happen.
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