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Those figures are not unbiased: they are being published by the AHA, which would benefit if they secure more funds from Congress through section 1011:
"the AHA again is leading the charge for Section 1011, urging Congress to pass legislation to renew and bolster the program."
Are you trying to deny that they got the billion dollars? You don't like the source? Here's another one.
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A government program exists to help reimburse hospitals for some of the costs that they incur in treating illegal immigrants who are unable to pay: Section 1011 of the Medicare Modernization Act of 2003. The section distributes $250 million among hospitals across the county, allocating more money to states with higher rates of illegal immigration.
According to data from the 2007 State Allocations for Section 1011 of the Medicare Modernization Act, an estimated 7 million unauthorized residents live in the United States, and 283,000 in Arizona alone.
Of the $250 million that Section 1011 distributes nationwide, Arizona receives more than $6.7 million based on its percentage of undocumented aliens, and about $37.8 million based on number of state illegal alien arrests, for a total of $44.5 million.
The Section 1011 money Arizona receives helps hospitals relieve some of the financial burden of treating illegal immigrants, but the amounts they receive are "a drop in the bucket" compared to the losses local hospitals take each year, Nicol said.
That's a good link, the bolded statement is a good indication of what's happening.
"They have the right idea, but I don't think they see the magnitude of the problem," Nicol said. "It builds on itself. Many illegal immigrants are afraid to come in for treatment, so a problem will build to an emergency. Emergency treatment is always more expensive then preventative treatment. That's one reason the costs are so high."
It refutes the idea that illegals are just trying to abuse social services.
Edit : It's 1 billion over four years on the bill discussed in the AHA article you posted.
And I can't find information on whether AHA got it approved.
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That's a good link, the bolded statement is a good indication of what's happening.
"They have the right idea, but I don't think they see the magnitude of the problem," Nicol said. "It builds on itself. Many illegal immigrants are afraid to come in for treatment, so a problem will build to an emergency. Emergency treatment is always more expensive then preventative treatment. That's one reason the costs are so high."
It refutes the idea that illegals are just trying to abuse social services.
Edit : It's 1 billion over four years on the bill discussed in the AHA article you posted.
And I can't find information on whether AHA got it approved.
The bill was passed in 2003. The billion dollars of taxpayer's money has been handed out. The program expired September 30, 2008.
That money could have provided alot of medical care for actual Americans and legal residents.
That money could have provided alot of medical care for actual Americans and legal residents.
I know medical care in America sucks, even though we pay ever higher premiums and the deductibles keep going up. And it happens even if we never use the Medical care system.
Somehow I don't think illegals getting emergency care is the biggest problem.
I know medical care in America sucks, even though we pay ever higher premiums and the deductibles keep going up. And it happens even if we never use the Medical care system.
Somehow I don't think illegals getting emergency care is the biggest problem.
You can think what you like but it is a big problem. One of the largest expenses is our tax dollars going for paying for the birthing of their numerous babies.
Actually, that's horrible data collection. It results in biases and unreliable data.
I noticed you wouldn't deny my comment about all the tax dollars spent on the birthing of their babies (along with pre-natal care their eligability for welfare till they are 18 years old). Google Parkland Hospital in Dallas just for starters for the costs involved for their pregnancies and deliveries.
Actually, that's horrible data collection. It results in biases and unreliable data.
If an American set of parents take their American child to the ER at 10 PM because he has the flu and is running a high fever, they are going to want to have their sick child seen within a reasonable amount of time. If they look around the waiting room and see the place is jammed with non-English speakers, they are going to be correct in concluding that a percentage of them are probably illegal aliens who are there to get their 'free' ER care. Aside from their sheer numbers, illegals can slow an ER down like nothing else because all communication with them has to go through an interpreter. So it takes twice as long to get a history, explain the treatment plan, etc. If the American parents then end up sitting there for 2 hours with a fussy, coughing toddler who feels miserable and cannot be consoled while the crowd ahead of them is seen, they may come away from that experience thinking that illegal aliens in American ERs are a problem.
Now you may think that is a horrible way to arrive at that conclusion, or they are being manipulated, or they are racists, etc. You know something? Nobody cares what you think. Americans who have had dealings with illegal aliens are going to come to their own conclusions and they are not going to give a hoot if you think they are biased. Statements that you make concerning how we must do this, that or the other thing, are nothing more than your opinions on the subject and should be weighted accordingly. And opinions are like a specific body part- everybody's got one.
If an American set of parents take their American child to the ER at 10 PM because he has the flu and is running a high fever, they are going to want to have their sick child seen within a reasonable amount of time. If they look around the waiting room and see the place is jammed with non-English speakers, they are going to be correct in concluding that a percentage of them are probably illegal aliens who are there to get their 'free' ER care. Aside from their sheer numbers, illegals can slow an ER down like nothing else because all communication with them has to go through an interpreter. So it takes twice as long to get a history, explain the treatment plan, etc. If the American parents then end up sitting there for 2 hours with a fussy, coughing toddler who feels miserable and cannot be consoled while the crowd ahead of them is seen, they may come away from that experience thinking that illegal aliens in American ERs are a problem.
Now you may think that is a horrible way to arrive at that conclusion, or they are being manipulated, or they are racists, etc. You know something? Nobody cares what you think. Americans who have had dealings with illegal aliens are going to come to their own conclusions and they are not going to give a hoot if you think they are biased. Statements that you make concerning how we must do this, that or the other thing, are nothing more than your opinions on the subject and should be weighted accordingly. And opinions are like a specific body part- everybody's got one.
TWO HOURS ?..What ER is that? It's often 5 or 6 hours....(Especially if the next ER down the road has been closed.)
Otherwise, I agree.
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