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Old 12-09-2009, 07:57 AM
 
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What does it have to do with illegal immigration again?If you guys are truly worried about just illegal immigration, then why the focus on JUST Hispanic and Latino illegal immigrants?
Probably because the vast majority of illegal immigrants are from South of the border. Do ya think?

If we had 20 million illegal Canadians in this country, the backlash against Canadians would be the same. And before you call BS, the only reason 20 million Canadians would be here is if they were a third world country that was pushing millions of people here as well.

I don't give a rat's ass what color you are. You need to come here legally or not at all. I really don't understand the illegal alien sympathizers like you. It's as if you want this country to fall.

 
Old 12-09-2009, 08:01 AM
 
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Probably because the vast majority of illegal immigrants are from South of the border. Do ya think?

If we had 20 million illegal Canadians in this country, the backlash against Canadians would be the same. And before you call BS, the only reason 20 million Canadians would be here is if they were a third world country that was pushing millions of people here as well.

I don't give a rat's ass what color you are. You need to come here legally or not at all. I really don't understand the illegal alien sympathizers like you. It's as if you want this country to fall.
The pro-illegals keep asking that same question over and over why the focus on latino illegals and we keep telling them over and over why. Is there a reading comprehension problem with them?
 
Old 12-09-2009, 09:26 AM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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The pro-illegals keep asking that same question over and over why the focus on latino illegals and we keep telling them over and over why. Is there a reading comprehension problem with them?
Not reading comprehension..........just a mixture of Latin/Hispanic chauvinism, reconquista, and a general 'you owe me' mentality because we defeated Mexico 150 years ago--------never mind that Mexico defeated Spain less than 30 years prior.
 
Old 12-09-2009, 09:32 AM
 
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Not reading comprehension..........just a mixture of Latin/Hispanic chauvinism, reconquista, and a general 'you owe me' mentality because we defeated Mexico 150 years ago--------never mind that Mexico defeated Spain less than 30 years prior.
Personally, I think they do this because it is their way of subtlely playing the race card.
 
Old 12-09-2009, 11:28 AM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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Personally, I think they do this because it is their way of subtlely playing the race card.
You may be correct. And when the la raza types are reminded that Hispanic culture is just as 'White' as Anglo culture they freak out because they do not like to be reminded how so many Mestizos generations back were born--------via the Spaniards raping the helpless Aztec, etc. women. For the record: a Mexican also told me that exact same story.
 
Old 12-09-2009, 01:06 PM
 
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I wonder how they would feel if millions of anglos or chinese, etc. illegally invaded Mexico for example and crowed about how they would soon be the majority and change the natural identity of that country? Hypocrites!
Are you expecting a honest reply?
 
Old 12-09-2009, 06:05 PM
 
Location: North Texas
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First off, H-1B and student visas are non-immigrant visas. You cannot obtain citizenship with them.
Moving to the EB-2 visas, I see you are unfamiliar with the country quota system. Under this system, countries with a high demand for family visas (China, India, Mexico, and the Philippines currently) are barred from obtaining EB-2 visas until that backlog is lifted. For Mexico, this has been 21 years and counting. The exception is that an immigrant applying for an EB-2 with a sponsor immediate relative is not subject to the country quota restrictions on those visas. That is why there are several thousand people from these countries who obtain EB visas every year, but again, they still must have a sponsoring relative to obtain the visas even if it is not a family class visa.

That still leaves the EB-1 visa. Let's examine the criteria there:
USCIS - EB-1 Eligibility and Filing (Citizen and Immigration Services link)
" 'extraordinary ability in the sciences, arts, education, business, or athletics which has been demonstrated by sustained national or international acclaim and whose achievements have been recognized in the field through extensive documentation.' You must be one of 'that small percentage who have risen to the very top of the field of endeavor,' to be granted this classification. For example, if you receive a major internationally recognized award, such as a Nobel Prize, you will qualify for an EB-1 classification. Other awards may also qualify if you can document that the award is in the same class as a Nobel Prize."

You're right, that requires more than a 5th grade education. Considerably more. More than 99.999% of Americans. Basically the EB-1 is just a discount over an EB-5, since anyone eligible for an EB-1 can qualify relatively easily for an EB-5.
You cannot transition from a non-immigrant visa to U.S. citizenship; you have to transition to an immigrant status first.

However some people have incorrectly deduced that Mexicans have no route to U.S. citizenship other than family sponsorship. This is absolutely NOT the case. Mexicans, Filippinos, Chinese people, and citizens of a couple of other nations are severely restricted in certain visa categories (including family-based visas) but this has no impact on their ability to obtain an H1-B visa and no impact on their ability to transition the H1-B to a green card, and the green card to U.S. citizenship. None whatsoever. At all. Also, once a Mexican national has obtained a green card, the rules governing transition to U.S. citizenship are the same for them as they are for anyone else.

Mexicans and citizens of a few other nations are subjected to restrictive quotas in some categories because if they were not, visas of those types would be issued to nobody BUT Mexicans, Chinese, Filippinos, Indians, etc. It is also very important to note that minor children and spouses of U.S. citizens are NOT subjected to these restrictions, Mexican, Chinese, Filippino, or other. It doesn't matter.

I just wanted everyone to be aware of that.
 
Old 12-09-2009, 07:19 PM
 
Location: Maryland
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You cannot transition from a non-immigrant visa to U.S. citizenship; you have to transition to an immigrant status first.

However some people have incorrectly deduced that Mexicans have no route to U.S. citizenship other than family sponsorship. This is absolutely NOT the case. Mexicans, Filippinos, Chinese people, and citizens of a couple of other nations are severely restricted in certain visa categories (including family-based visas) but this has no impact on their ability to obtain an H1-B visa and no impact on their ability to transition the H1-B to a green card, and the green card to U.S. citizenship. None whatsoever. At all. Also, once a Mexican national has obtained a green card, the rules governing transition to U.S. citizenship are the same for them as they are for anyone else.

Mexicans and citizens of a few other nations are subjected to restrictive quotas in some categories because if they were not, visas of those types would be issued to nobody BUT Mexicans, Chinese, Filippinos, Indians, etc. It is also very important to note that minor children and spouses of U.S. citizens are NOT subjected to these restrictions, Mexican, Chinese, Filippino, or other. It doesn't matter.

I just wanted everyone to be aware of that.
Thank you very much.
 
Old 12-09-2009, 09:42 PM
 
Location: North Texas
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Thank you very much.
No prob. While it is true that citizens of some nations are subjected to quotas for some US visas, it has no effect on their ability to naturalize once they have been issued an immigrant visa.

It is also true that in some family-based categories, USCIS is processing applications filed in the mid to late 1980s.

Visa availability and priority:

USCIS - Visa Availability & Priority Dates

State Department Visa Bulletin:

Visa Bulletin for December 2009 (http://www.travel.state.gov/visa/frvi/bulletin/bulletin_4587.html - broken link)

According to this site, the oldest visa applications being processed from Mexico were filed in 1992 (for unmarried adult children of U.S. citizens, who were over 21 when the application was filed). The oldest applications being processed from The Philippines were filed in 1987 (for adult siblings of U.S. citizens).

Countries not eligible to participate in the diversity visa lottery program due to high rates of immigration to the United States:

BRAZIL, CANADA, CHINA (mainland-born), COLOMBIA, DOMINICAN REPUBLIC, ECUADOR, EL SALVADOR, GUATEMALA, HAITI, INDIA, JAMAICA, MEXICO, PAKISTAN, PERU, PHILIPPINES, POLAND, SOUTH KOREA, UNITED KINGDOM (except Northern Ireland) and its dependent territories, and VIETNAM.

http://www.travel.state.gov/pdf/DV-2011instructions.pdf

The United States employs quotas on these visas so that all of its yearly allotment of visas are not issued to citizens of The Philippines, India, China, and Mexico. If we did not have those quotas, the limited number of immigrant visas issued each year would be gobbled up by these four countries as soon as applications were accepted. Basically the application window would be open for about 10 seconds. Citizens of these countries complain bitterly that these quotas are unfair, but citizens of other countries who are attempting to immigrate to the United States could legitimately make the same argument if the quotas were not in place. The U.S. imposes these quotas in the interests of diversity. If you come from a country with low rates of immigration to the U.S., it's true that it is a lot easier to immigrate here. But those are the rules!
 
Old 12-10-2009, 04:46 PM
 
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<<It's astounding that you don't see how you can use history to figure out modern problems.>>

Laws are passed to reflect the present situation. Driving laws are differents than they were 30 years ago. Voting laws, and child labor laws are different from years ago. There were no stalking laws years ago. Laws, including immigration laws, change to address the needs of the current situation.

As for modern problems, we have a serious problem with illegal aliens now. What would you suggest, an amnesty every 20 years or so, when the illegal alien population has increased to 12-20 million? That's not a viable policy, which means we need to enforce the laws in effect now, and get a handle on it. Like any undesirable situation, it's not going to go away by ignoring it, or caving in to those who want to circumvent the law.
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