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Old 10-11-2009, 05:07 PM
 
Location: Maryland
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They can draft a bill until the cows come home. . . . there will be no amnesty action by Congress. If anything, Congress will be working on strategies for “attrition through enforcement.”

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TUCSON, Arizona – A group of Hispanic lawmakers will present in the next few days an immigration reform bill before the U.S. Congress because, in the words of one, “now is the best time to act.” “The bill could be presented as soon as the end of next week or by the end of October,” Rep. Raul Grijalva (D-Ariz.) told Efe by telephone from Washington.

Though he gave no details about the bill that is still being worked on, he said that one of the chief objectives is to find a way to legalize the almost 12 million undocumented immigrants estimated to live in the United States.

Grijalva acknowledged that he still doesn’t know what will be required of a person to be able to enter the legalization program, but said that those who have complied with the law and paid their taxes will have that chance. “The requirements are tough. People who have been found guilty of serious crimes such as murders, domestic violence and drug trafficking will be eliminated,” he said.

He said that the main objective of the bill will be to reunite families and that it will benefit people considered to be of “good moral character.”

“We want to get it going, because frankly if we wait for the leadership in Congress it’s not going to happen. If we wait for the administration, the reform won’t take place until 2010 or 2011. And if we get to the elections, nobody will want to deal with it at all,” Grijalva said.
Latin American Herald Tribune - Hispanics in Congress to Present Immigration Reform Bill
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Old 10-11-2009, 05:55 PM
 
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Grijalva acknowledged that he still doesn’t know what will be required of a person to be able to enter the legalization program, but said that those who have complied with the law and paid their taxes will have that chance. “The requirements are tough. People who have been found guilty of serious crimes such as murders, domestic violence and drug trafficking will be eliminated,” he said.

He said that the main objective of the bill will be to reunite families and that it will benefit people considered to be of “good moral character.”
Complied with the law? If they had complied with the law they would not be in the US illegally in the first place.
How we are supposed to deal with people who view obeying the law as optional just mystifies me.

Also note that the main objectives are to 'reunite families' and benefit people of good moral character. Who cares if giving amnesty to millions who have no education and no job skills is a real lousy deal for America? As long as his grupo benefits, he couldn't care less.
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Old 10-11-2009, 08:17 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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President Reagan promised the American people in 1986, that it was a one time deal. Never again.
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Old 10-15-2009, 12:26 AM
 
Location: Where the sun always shines
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I love to know how these congressman would feel if while they working, a family snuck into their huge house, set up shop in there basement, secretly lived there for a few weeks, ran up the heat and water bill, took food and drink out of the fridge, and then when the family finally goes into the basement to put them out, the police tell them " well they been here for a few weeks so we cant just put them on the street. We have to find a way to let them legally stay in your house even though your whole family wants them out". Its ridiculous
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Old 10-15-2009, 12:48 AM
 
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President Reagan promised the American people in 1986, that it was a one time deal. Never again.
Never say never...you are in for a suprise in a very short time.
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Old 10-15-2009, 12:58 AM
 
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Complied with the law? If they had complied with the law they would not be in the US illegally in the first place.
How we are supposed to deal with people who view obeying the law as optional just mystifies me.

Also note that the main objectives are to 'reunite families' and benefit people of good moral character. Who cares if giving amnesty to millions who have no education and no job skills is a real lousy deal for America? As long as his grupo benefits, he couldn't care less.
Have you ever travelled outside the US Andreabeth? In most countries, if you commit a crime and you either pay a fine or serve time in jail, society forgives you and you are allowed to integrate yourself back into society.

This is one of the bad things about our country. Look at what happened with Vic, the football player. We live in a society that values animals over humans. Most of the people that do time in jail, when they get out, it is very hard to for them to get a job. Most US citizens do not forget consequently leaving this individuals out of a job, societal outcasts and simply unable to integrate themselves back into the community. I understand when someone has killed, raped, etc. In California, people rather pay for criminals to keep them in jail than to release them eventhough they have not committed violent crimes.

Illegal immigrants, unless found to be violent criminals, should be given the same opportunity. You dont have to agree with me but I think we do more harm by not letting them stay when some of them have their entire family here who happen to be American citizens. There is no way, that person will be able to start all over and feed his/her family in their country of origin. Consequently, we (tax payers) would be paying the bill.
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Old 10-15-2009, 01:00 AM
 
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President Reagan promised the American people in 1986, that it was a one time deal. Never again.
Very, very short time.
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Old 10-15-2009, 05:30 AM
 
Location: North Texas
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Have you ever travelled outside the US Andreabeth? In most countries, if you commit a crime and you either pay a fine or serve time in jail, society forgives you and you are allowed to integrate yourself back into society.

This is one of the bad things about our country. Look at what happened with Vic, the football player. We live in a society that values animals over humans. Most of the people that do time in jail, when they get out, it is very hard to for them to get a job. Most US citizens do not forget consequently leaving this individuals out of a job, societal outcasts and simply unable to integrate themselves back into the community. I understand when someone has killed, raped, etc. In California, people rather pay for criminals to keep them in jail than to release them eventhough they have not committed violent crimes.
While I agree that too many people are in prison for nonviolent drug offenses when there are other ways of dealing with them, you are naive if you think that other countries are clamoring to hire convicted felons. They are not. It is difficult for felons in most countries to find work. The United States is not unique at all in this respect.

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Illegal immigrants, unless found to be violent criminals, should be given the same opportunity. You dont have to agree with me but I think we do more harm by not letting them stay when some of them have their entire family here who happen to be American citizens. There is no way, that person will be able to start all over and feed his/her family in their country of origin. Consequently, we (tax payers) would be paying the bill.
Wrong. We are doing immeasurable harm to this country by allowing even one of them to stay. Our laws must be enforced aggressively and these invaders (that is what they are) must be sent home. They are criminals. You sound as if you think we owe them something. We owe them nothing. You sound as if you think that we should surrender, since they keep coming anyway. Why should we? People keep getting raped and murdered too, does that mean we should not aggressively prosecute rapists and murderers? Your point makes no sense to me at all. None.
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Old 10-15-2009, 07:36 AM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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Never say never...you are in for a suprise in a very short time.
Actually; zac, you may be in for an 'ugly' surprise if advocating amnesty---------the mood in this country is turning nastier towards illegal aliens.

Remember ca. 1920 when we essentially closed/locked Ellis Island to keep out (mostly) Anglo legal immigrants (Italians, Hungarians, Irish, Germans, Poles, Jews as a group, etc. are 'Anglo' White here in the USA)? Precedent was set back then and it is time to clamp down again.
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Old 10-15-2009, 07:48 AM
 
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If all illegal aliens got was a slap on the wrist and a fine and then allowed to stay here anyway, how many more of the world's poor would come here knowing that was all there was going to be to it? How does quadrupling our population sound to you, Zac?
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