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Old 11-08-2009, 08:35 PM
 
Location: Cali
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Hispanics, both legal and illegal best learn the meaning of the expression "take a ticket and stand in line". They are not going through anything worse than what European immigrants went through during the 1800s and 1900s!
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Old 11-08-2009, 08:41 PM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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No offensa ArizonaBear but I just ran a search and you have identified yourself as "1/2 Hungarian" over 150 times in this forum alone. Here are examples:

http://www.city-data.com/forum/illeg...an#post7283422
http://www.city-data.com/forum/illeg...an#post8089518

....more....

http://www.city-data.com/forum/illeg...an#post8887459


http://www.city-data.com/forum/illeg...an#post8654928

Exposing the American media agenda to gain sympathy for the illegal immigrant.

http://www.city-data.com/forum/illeg...an#post8654758

http://www.city-data.com/forum/illeg...an#post8188796


Why do you identify yourself as this? Why not just "American"?

Being Mexican doesn't mean I have a chip on my shoulder, it just means I don't enjoy hearing discriminative talk about Mexicans.
I typically state that I am of partial Hungarian heritage---------------and, self identify as an 'Anglo' American. If I refer to myself as being 'Hungarian'; like you sometimes describe yourself as a 'Mexican'---------I am joking around whereas you seem to be serious.

Needless to say: if confronted with a bunch of Magyar 'mojados'-----------can one see me dialing 1-866-DHS-2-ICE ASAP?
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Old 11-09-2009, 07:37 AM
 
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I typically state that I am of partial Hungarian heritage---------------and, self identify as an 'Anglo' American. If I refer to myself as being 'Hungarian'; like you sometimes describe yourself as a 'Mexican'---------I am joking around whereas you seem to be serious.

Needless to say: if confronted with a bunch of Magyar 'mojados'-----------can one see me dialing 1-866-DHS-2-ICE ASAP?
150 times is not a joke...
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Old 11-09-2009, 09:30 AM
 
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Hispanics, both legal and illegal best learn the meaning of the expression "take a ticket and stand in line". They are not going through anything worse than what European immigrants went through during the 1800s and 1900s!
In the 1800's and 1900's, nobody had any illusions that the US was 'multicultural'. Immigrants were expected to 'get with the program', change THEIR habits to conform with 'the system' here, and 'shape up fast', or be left out. That was the price for being 'allowed' to come here, and most of these immigrants gladly complied.

Today, we're 'multicultural' (or we THINK we are). We try to accomodate the newcomers' cultures, rather than expect them to change. We think this is the 'nice' thing to do. That may be so, but in any cultures "taking a ticket and standing in line" just isn't something that makes sense. In many cultures, it's "take care of yourself, your family, and your 'tribe' (ethnicity), and to hell with what the neighbors think". That's the reality of trying to be multicultural...cultures don't usually 'blend' smoothly.

By the way, 'Hispanics' (as in those who've been here for many years)....had little problem with American culture. They were among the most patriotic of groups. Everyone in those days was expected to 'play the game', and most of us did. That's no longer true...but I don't see it as a 'Hispanic' problem....it's the result of a society (ours) which has abandoned its common sense.
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Old 11-09-2009, 10:53 AM
 
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In the 1800's and 1900's, nobody had any illusions that the US was 'multicultural'. Immigrants were expected to 'get with the program', change THEIR habits to conform with 'the system' here, and 'shape up fast', or be left out. That was the price for being 'allowed' to come here, and most of these immigrants gladly complied.

Today, we're 'multicultural' (or we THINK we are). We try to accomodate the newcomers' cultures, rather than expect them to change. We think this is the 'nice' thing to do. That may be so, but in any cultures "taking a ticket and standing in line" just isn't something that makes sense. In many cultures, it's "take care of yourself, your family, and your 'tribe' (ethnicity), and to hell with what the neighbors think". That's the reality of trying to be multicultural...cultures don't usually 'blend' smoothly.

By the way, 'Hispanics' (as in those who've been here for many years)....had little problem with American culture. They were among the most patriotic of groups. Everyone in those days was expected to 'play the game', and most of us did. That's no longer true...but I don't see it as a 'Hispanic' problem....it's the result of a society (ours) which has abandoned its common sense.
You have this tribal mentality that you decry others have. "They" act like such not like "us". This is a core "tribal" belief. The "us" vs. "them" mentality. Also, in ALL cultures neighbors are in important. In ALL cultures standing in line does make sense. Did you ever take any anthropology, psychology, or soc. course?

So despite the fact that you put blatantly wrong, ethnocentric, and narrow minded information...you then top it off by somehow saying that multiculturalism is a bad idea...on the basis of your flawed, myopic views.

Oddly, "in those days" we deported Hispanics for simply being Hispanic. Yes, there is a segment of the population that has abandoned common sense...I'm afraid it's not who you think.
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Old 11-09-2009, 11:04 AM
 
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You have this tribal mentality that you decry others have. "They" act like such not like "us". This is a core "tribal" belief. The "us" vs. "them" mentality. Also, in ALL cultures neighbors are in important. In ALL cultures standing in line does make sense. Did you ever take any anthropology, psychology, or soc. course?

So despite the fact that you put blatantly wrong, ethnocentric, and narrow minded information...you then top it off by somehow saying that multiculturalism is a bad idea...on the basis of your flawed, myopic views.

Oddly, "in those days" we deported Hispanics for simply being Hispanic. Yes, there is a segment of the population that has abandoned common sense...I'm afraid it's not who you think.
No, what you are doing is confusing national pride held by the majority with individuals who put their ethnic group's pride above that and therefore resist assimilation in our country. Many Hispanics legal or otherwise are the most guilty of this. That is what true tribal mentality is, not national pride.
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Old 11-09-2009, 12:21 PM
 
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No, what you are doing is confusing national pride held by the majority with individuals who put their ethnic group's pride above that and therefore resist assimilation in our country. Many Hispanics legal or otherwise are the most guilty of this. That is what true tribal mentality is, not national pride.
A tribal mentality is still a tribal mentality. The mentality is still the same. And a true tribal mentality exhibits an irrational "us" vs. "them", which is clearly shown. As for assimilation, 2nd and 3rd generation immigrants do learn English, so this shows assimilation. There is universal fluency by these generations.

You exhibit this tribal mentality, the "American Tribe". Be it good or bad, it is what it is.
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Old 11-09-2009, 12:27 PM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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A tribal mentality is still a tribal mentality. The mentality is still the same. And a true tribal mentality exhibits an irrational "us" vs. "them", which is clearly shown. As for assimilation, 2nd and 3rd generation immigrants do learn English, so this shows assimilation. There is universal fluency by these generations.

You exhibit this tribal mentality, the "American Tribe". Be it good or bad, it is what it is.
And what is wrong with newcomers subscribing to 'our tribal mentality'??

America: love it or leave it!
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Old 11-09-2009, 01:08 PM
 
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A tribal mentality is still a tribal mentality. The mentality is still the same. And a true tribal mentality exhibits an irrational "us" vs. "them", which is clearly shown. As for assimilation, 2nd and 3rd generation immigrants do learn English, so this shows assimilation. There is universal fluency by these generations.

You exhibit this tribal mentality, the "American Tribe". Be it good or bad, it is what it is.
National pride is not what tribal mentality is. Tribal mentality is a group of people separating themselves from the majority (us vs them). You just don't get it do you? Or perhaps you refuse to get it because it doesn't fit with your separatist agenda. There is more to assimilation then just learning the language of a country. It is about speaking it as one's primary language out in mainstream society. I don't care what native cultures or languages one chooses to practice or speak at home. Language usage is only the tip of the iceberg when it comes to assimilation.
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Old 11-09-2009, 02:00 PM
 
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And what is wrong with newcomers subscribing to 'our tribal mentality'??

America: love it or leave it!
Why can't they simply live their lives without having you tell them how to live it?
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