Should the police ask Hispanic Day Laborers for their papers? (crime, education)

[tinman01]

That1guy. I have been reading your posts for some time now. Although more often than not we are on opposite sides of the issue I can say that you seldom if ever resort to out right insults nor do you hit below the belt.
I also can say that you can be annoying as hell at times. LOL I can live with that..
This topic is kind of at the heart of the illegal problem.
Should police ask hispanic day laborers for papers?
Hell yes. Do they have insurance and tax id? If not they should not be allowed to work. Nor should any legal citizen who does not have the same documentation. This protects us all from fly by nighters.
As for the green cards. My wife is a legal resident. She is expected to carry that green card everywhere she goes. If a cop asked her for it she will have it. If a cop asks for it I will not be offended. We are proud to show that my wife followed the rules and is an honest resident.
Illegals and those who support/facilitate them don't like the idea of having to answer the tough question when they can't demonstrate legal status. I want our police to go after obvious as well as not so obvious illegals.
Day laborers are pretty much obvious and if they are legal citizens I want them licenced and insured just like legal contractors they are under cutting.

[that1guy]

Originally Posted by tinman01

That1guy. I have been reading your posts for some time now. Although more often than not we are on opposite sides of the issue I can say that you seldom if ever resort to out right insults nor do you hit below the belt.
I also can say that you can be annoying as hell at times. LOL I can live with that..
This topic is kind of at the heart of the illegal problem.
Should police ask hispanic day laborers for papers?
Hell yes. Do they have insurance and tax id? If not they should not be allowed to work. Nor should any legal citizen who does not have the same documentation. This protects us all from fly by nighters.
As for the green cards. My wife is a legal resident. She is expected to carry that green card everywhere she goes. If a cop asked her for it she will have it. If a cop asks for it I will not be offended. We are proud to show that my wife followed the rules and is an honest resident.
Illegals and those who support/facilitate them don't like the idea of having to answer the tough question when they can't demonstrate legal status. I want our police to go after obvious as well as not so obvious illegals.
Day laborers are pretty much obvious and if they are legal citizens I want them licenced and insured just like legal contractors they are under cutting.

Thanks. I will admit at times I do lose my temper (at least I'm honest), however...it is hard having the minority view (not a justification, just simply an observation).

Much of what you state is exactly why need reform to legalize and put people through the system. They do need to pay taxes, they do need to have the proper liscences. Reform is not simply a reward, but also it comes with an obligation. An obligation that people better themselves, in a sense. Obtain education. Obtain the proper training and job skills.

I have been a victim of racial profiling MANY times. So has my brother and mother. It's really demeaning when you are placed in such a position.

It might, again, might turn into a slippery slope. Day laborers, then another group...so on.

I've been a day laborer once...when I was 10 (cutting people's grass). Kidding, but seriously I did cut lawns.

[XodoX]

Originally Posted by that1guy

Thanks. I will admit at times I do lose my temper (at least I'm honest), however...it is hard having the minority view (not a justification, just simply an observation).

Much of what you state is exactly why need reform to legalize and put people through the system. They do need to pay taxes, they do need to have the proper liscences. Reform is not simply a reward, but also it comes with an obligation. An obligation that people better themselves, in a sense. Obtain education. Obtain the proper training and job skills.

I have been a victim of racial profiling MANY times. So has my brother and mother. It's really demeaning when you are placed in such a position.

It might, again, might turn into a slippery slope. Day laborers, then another group...so on.

I've been a day laborer once...when I was 10 (cutting people's grass). Kidding, but seriously I did cut lawns.

They can do that. Deport them to wherever they came from. Can pay taxes there

[that1guy]

Originally Posted by XodoX

They can do that. Deport them to wherever they came from. Can pay taxes there

See, that increases the tax burden on everyone and hence is a no win situation. Deportation is costly. It would actually drain our resources. We need something that INCREASES revenue, not decreases.

[XodoX]

Originally Posted by tinman01

That1guy. I have been reading your posts for some time now. Although more often than not we are on opposite sides of the issue I can say that you seldom if ever resort to out right insults nor do you hit below the belt.
I also can say that you can be annoying as hell at times. LOL I can live with that..
This topic is kind of at the heart of the illegal problem.
Should police ask hispanic day laborers for papers?
Hell yes. Do they have insurance and tax id? If not they should not be allowed to work. Nor should any legal citizen who does not have the same documentation. This protects us all from fly by nighters.
As for the green cards. My wife is a legal resident. She is expected to carry that green card everywhere she goes. If a cop asked her for it she will have it. If a cop asks for it I will not be offended. We are proud to show that my wife followed the rules and is an honest resident.
Illegals and those who support/facilitate them don't like the idea of having to answer the tough question when they can't demonstrate legal status. I want our police to go after obvious as well as not so obvious illegals.
Day laborers are pretty much obvious and if they are legal citizens I want them licenced and insured just like legal contractors they are under cutting.

This has nothing to do with following rules. Why do you think they are here illegally? Exactly... No/almost no education does not qualify for a visa in the U.S. If they wouldn't come illegally, they would never qualify for a visa.
We already have enough uneducated people to take care of.

[XodoX]

Originally Posted by that1guy

See, that increases the tax burden on everyone and hence is a no win situation. Deportation is costly. It would actually drain our resources. We need something that INCREASES revenue, not decreases.

Umm no. Less unemployed Americans = less expenses for the gov't.

[that1guy]

Originally Posted by XodoX

This has nothing to do with following rules. Why do you think they are here illegally? Exactly... No/almost no education does not qualify for a visa in the U.S. If they wouldn't come illegally, they would never qualify for a visa.
We already have enough uneducated people to take care of.

Thus, it stands to reason that the money that would go towards deportation should be going to both education and healthcare...

[XodoX]

Originally Posted by that1guy

Thus, it stands to reason that the money that would go towards deportation should be going to both education and healthcare...

Yeah, should educate Americans, that's true. In the long run they deportations will pay off.

What's next? Don't jail criminals cause it's to expensive?

[that1guy]

Originally Posted by XodoX

Yeah, should educate Americans, that's true. In the long run they deportations will pay off.

What's next? Don't jail criminals cause it's to expensive?

It's not even the same analogy. You shouldn't jail people for say, marijuana use. Or speeding. Or jay walking. Because it is too expensive.

Deportation should only be used for those people who are truly a threat. Just like jail.

We should educate ALL people within our borders. THAT will pay off in the long run.

[David Aguilar]

Originally Posted by chicagonut

As for David, I will go back and read my own posts and his but I rarely ever attack someone first unless they really tick me off. It must have been one of those rare occasions.

This is from the Legal Joe/Illegal Jose thread:

Originally Posted by chicagonut

I can tell you only have a high school diploma with this tripe. "If enough illegals or foreigners come here, take jobs, and drastically lower wages, eventually the displaced Americans will be able to compete with them at their wages (or lower) as well. If an illegal/foreigner is willing to work for those wages, surely an American can as well (if need be)."

FYI, Americans don't want to live like these third world peasants! We don't want to live 3 or 4 families in a household to make ends meet from crappy wages. Here is some advice. Get an education beyond your HS diploma and gain some moral fortitude while you are at it.

I really must have ticked you off.