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Per the "deflect attention", we can turn to Joe Wilson. His now infamous "You lie" statement was the rallying cry of both 9/12ers and the insurance industry. However, the bill did not include illegal immigrants. The wording specifically excluded them. Still, support was garnered against the bill. Why? Because the fear induced in people meant that would be less receptive to the program and ultimately not change our current system. Private insurance companies finance these "grassroots" protest in order to stave off competition. Illegal immigration was used to falsely galvanize support for keeping the status quo.
The bold, again contains a huge flaw. It implies that there are only two plausible outcomes. That I do put the health and well-being of my children first, or I don't. Plus, this question is rooted in an emotional appeal. Obviously my child. However, I would also make sure that others (be they legal or not) are able to have an equal opportunity for success. This is much like the same concept of public education. Parents want success for their own children, but feel that others deserve the same opportunities as well.
As for the spelling, whoops, that's a gaffe...
As Benicar stated, no one is allowed to ask the legal status of anyone, so, what's the point?
My question is NOT a huge flaw. Every dollar that goes to treat, educate, medicate, etc. illegal aliens is a dollar that does not help our own citizens. ESL classes in schools mean more teachers, more teacher salaries and pensions, which, if you don't fully realize, are paid for by American taxpayers. Maybe you don't own your home and only rent so you may not realize that. Ninety percent of my township taxes go toward the school system. Do I really want to double my taxes so illegal aliens can be 'taken care of'? Nope, I do not. Do I want my health insurance premiums to continue rising to cover all the emergency room/maternity ward visits from illegal aliens? Nope, I do not. Do I want my federal taxes to double so more handouts can be given to illegal aliens? Nope, I do not. Do You?
No flaws. If you are a citizen of America I cannot understand how you could put the interests of foreigeners above those of your own countrymen. It seems you do not understand American culture.
I was also going to comment on that nasty note you left me, but decided it's not worth the effort.
Maybe you don't own your home and only rent so you may not realize that. Ninety percent of my township taxes go toward the school system.
In the case of township taxes or property taxes, illegal immigrants pay them too, even if it's by proxy.
Chances are, they are renting, thus they are paying rent. The landlord pays property tax on the rental property. Voila.
I'm not going to dispute the rest of your post, because you have valid points, but in the case of health care, ER visits, and handouts, is it okay for American citizens to accept free health care, ER visits and handouts on the taxpayers' dime? Yes, they have a "right" to be here, but American citizens taking handouts is no less of a burden on the system than illegal immigrants doing so.
In the case of township taxes or property taxes, illegal immigrants pay them too, even if it's by proxy.
Chances are, they are renting, thus they are paying rent. The landlord pays property tax on the rental property. Voila.
I'm not going to dispute the rest of your post, because you have valid points, but in the case of health care, ER visits, and handouts, is it okay for American citizens to accept free health care, ER visits and handouts on the taxpayers' dime? Yes, they have a "right" to be here, but American citizens taking handouts is no less of a burden on the system than illegal immigrants doing so.
Except that if not for illegal aliens being in our country that would be that much less we would be paying out in taxes to care for those who do burden our system. So, yes it would be less of a burden for us.
Except that if not for illegal aliens being in our country that would be that much less we would be paying out in taxes to care for those who do burden our system. So, yes it would be less of a burden for us.
So if all illegal immigrants in this country left tomorrow, do you think your collective tax bills would go down in response to the lesser burden?
So if all illegal immigrants in this country left tomorrow, do you think your collective tax bills would go down in response to the lesser burden?
IMO it would be doubtful.
If we could keep illegals out of our public schools and ERs we would save BILLIONS annually. Not to mention, our prisons. So yes, we would realize tax benefits if they left.
In the case of township taxes or property taxes, illegal immigrants pay them too, even if it's by proxy.
Chances are, they are renting, thus they are paying rent. The landlord pays property tax on the rental property. Voila.
I'm not going to dispute the rest of your post, because you have valid points, but in the case of health care, ER visits, and handouts, is it okay for American citizens to accept free health care, ER visits and handouts on the taxpayers' dime? Yes, they have a "right" to be here, but American citizens taking handouts is no less of a burden on the system than illegal immigrants doing so.
"Right to be here", though, has its merits. It's like the difference between your having to 'pay damages', or 'clean up the mess', caused by YOUR errant teenager, as opposed to your having to do the same for MY errant teenager. Not saying our own 'non-contributing' poor aren't a burden....but they're OUR burden. Not so with foreign citizens....(or at least, that's the theory).
If we could keep illegals out of our public schools and ERs we would save BILLIONS annually. Not to mention, our prisons. So yes, we would realize tax benefits if they left.
That's a nice thought, but I don't think we'd all get tax checks/reductions due to a surplus, the powers that be would find something to do with that money.
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"Right to be here", though, has its merits. It's like the difference between your having to 'pay damages', or 'clean up the mess', caused by YOUR errant teenager, as opposed to your having to do the same for MY errant teenager. Not saying our own 'non-contributing' poor aren't a burden....but they're OUR burden. Not so with foreign citizens....(or at least, that's the theory).
My, their, your, burden. Burden nonetheless. I don't see a difference either way, I don't know who exactly all the help is going to, IMO one is no different than the other.
That's a nice thought, but I don't think we'd all get tax checks/reductions due to a surplus, the powers that be would find something to do with that money.
My, their, your, burden. Burden nonetheless. I don't see a difference either way, I don't know who exactly all the help is going to, IMO one is no different than the other.
No difference between a citizen and an illegal alien? I see. Surplus? Surely you jest. We are in the red now and just need to try and dig ourselves out of the hole.
I would rather our government just made a bonfire out of our taxes rather than spend it on illegal invaders who have no respect for our laws.
In the case of township taxes or property taxes, illegal immigrants pay them too, even if it's by proxy.
Chances are, they are renting, thus they are paying rent. The landlord pays property tax on the rental property. Voila.
I'm not going to dispute the rest of your post, because you have valid points, but in the case of health care, ER visits, and handouts, is it okay for American citizens to accept free health care, ER visits and handouts on the taxpayers' dime? Yes, they have a "right" to be here, but American citizens taking handouts is no less of a burden on the system than illegal immigrants doing so.
Why do you put the word 'right' in quotes?
If you want to be a citizen of a world with no borders start looking for another planet.
That's a nice thought, but I don't think we'd all get tax checks/reductions due to a surplus, the powers that be would find something to do with that money.
My, their, your, burden. Burden nonetheless. I don't see a difference either way, I don't know who exactly all the help is going to, IMO one is no different than the other.
You will get no argument from me in defense of our government. It is inept and replete with corruption and greed. However, we simply cannot continue to support millions of foreigners who are here illegally; in particular, while we can’t even adequately provide for our own. They are an added and unnecessary burden.
Do you see the difference between having to support your children, as opposed to your children and 5 of your neighbor’s kids?
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