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Old 11-30-2009, 05:39 PM
 
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Illegals, on the other hand, perform a service that society values. Illegals are in demand because they work hard for relatively low wages. Employers can’t find U.S. citizens who will take the difficult, dirty jobs that illegals typically flourish in. If employers could find citizens to fill these low skill positions, they would.
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You really are naive, aren't you? Please provide proof of your assertsions.
Proof? Easy. I googled the phrase “Illegal aliens work hard for low wages” and here is the first hit:

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Among the low-skilled, immigrants are much more likely than natives to be employed. At the height of the recent economic boom, the number of hours worked by the typical low-skilled immigrant was 56 percent greater than for the typical low-skilled native. This is in part because the two populations are very different.

Most low-skilled immigrants are able-bodied individuals who have come to the United States to improve their lives. While they might take menial jobs in our country, their skills would place them solidly in the middle of the pack back home. Many low-skilled natives, on the other hand, are individuals who are from unstable homes or grew in poor neighborhoods, or they simply do not have what it takes to succeed in a technologically sophisticated society.
NY Times blog

 
Old 11-30-2009, 06:23 PM
 
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Repeating once again.

Were they talking about "immigrants" or illegal aliens"? My guess it is the latter and we already know why employers hire them over American citizens and it is because they work cheaper. That doesn't necessarily mean they work harder either.

As I have pointed out before there is nothing wrong with an American wanting to be a blue colllar worker and it doesn't mean they have some psychological problems or came from bad backgrounds either. Some people prefer doing manual labor jobs and many of those jobs paid a liveable wage or at least they did till the illegals arrived on the scene.

How do you explain why the farmers hire illegal aliens over using visas to gain legal immigrants for those jobs if the claim is that "immigrants" work harder than Americans then? Wouldn't the legal ones work as hard as the illegal ones? I already told you that they hire illegals because it is more profitable so that blows your theory right there about them being more hard working.

 
Old 11-30-2009, 08:05 PM
 
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While it has been mentioned many times English is our Federal "national" language rather than our "official" language, (thanks in part to former CO Senator Salazar), I would like to mention for the record that English is the "official" language of 30 states, soon to be 31. Surprisingly CA is one of the states where English is the official language. Sadly, it just goes to show that because English is designated official, doesn't mean it will be enforced. Kind of reminds you of how our immigration laws are enforced huh? I'm just sayin....

English in the 50 states (http://www.proenglish.org/issues/offeng/states.html - broken link)
 
Old 12-01-2009, 06:43 AM
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This thread has gone off topic and turned into the same old argument we've had here so many times.
Please get back on topic or the thread will be closed.
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Old 12-01-2009, 09:58 AM
 
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While it has been mentioned many times English is our Federal "national" language rather than our "official" language, (thanks in part to former CO Senator Salazar), I would like to mention for the record that English is the "official" language of 30 states, soon to be 31. Surprisingly CA is one of the states where English is the official language. Sadly, it just goes to show that because English is designated official, doesn't mean it will be enforced. Kind of reminds you of how our immigration laws are enforced huh? I'm just sayin....

English in the 50 states (http://www.proenglish.org/issues/offeng/states.html - broken link)
Good point. The website you cite is quite interesting as well.
 
Old 12-01-2009, 10:00 AM
 
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35 million people in America speak Spanish as their primary language. There are another 45 million bilinguals speaking both English and Spanish. In Canada only 7 million people speak French as their primary language. Yet French is one of the official languages of Canada.

Based solely on the numbers it makes sense for Spanish to be our secondary official language in America. What would this possibly hurt. I don’t see any downside to this.
 
Old 12-01-2009, 10:05 AM
 
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35 million people in America speak Spanish as their primary language. There are another 45 million bilinguals speaking both English and Spanish. In Canada only 7 million people speak French as their primary language. Yet French is one of the official languages of Canada.

Based solely on the numbers it makes sense for Spanish to be our secondary official language in America. What would this possibly hurt. I don’t see any downside to this.
Yet English is our national language and spoken by most everyone including Latinos in this country but every attempt to make it our "official" language is balked at by mostly Latinos complaining that it is racist. Let's make English our official language first and then we can talk about adding Spanish as a second one.
 
Old 12-01-2009, 10:08 AM
 
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Yet English is our national language and spoken by most everyone in this country but every attempt to make it our "official" language is balked at by mostly Latinos complaining that it is racist. Let's make English our official language first and then we can talk about adding Spanish as a second one.
Say, that IS a good idea. Better yet, we should adopt English as our primary official language, and in the same bill adopt Spanish as our secondary official language. Think of the dollars saved on Capitol Hill by consolidating the two efforts.
 
Old 12-01-2009, 11:35 AM
 
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Say, that IS a good idea. Better yet, we should adopt English as our primary official language, and in the same bill adopt Spanish as our secondary official language. Think of the dollars saved on Capitol Hill by consolidating the two efforts.
I disagree with your consolidation effort. English is undeniably our national language and should be made official with no questions asked. Spanish or any other language shouldn't be considered at this time as a secondary official language. I think the majority of Americans should decide whether they want a second official language or not.
 
Old 12-01-2009, 11:39 AM
 
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35 million people in America speak Spanish as their primary language. There are another 45 million bilinguals speaking both English and Spanish. In Canada only 7 million people speak French as their primary language. Yet French is one of the official languages of Canada.

Based solely on the numbers it makes sense for Spanish to be our secondary official language in America. What would this possibly hurt. I don’t see any downside to this.
One thing you forget is that many of those who speak Spanish as their primary language in this country are here illegally. So no, we shouldn't make Spanish our official language based on that.

I thought the claim was that Hispanics are assimilating anyway? So why then is Spanish their primary language of usage?
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