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Old 11-12-2009, 09:59 AM
 
Location: Maryland
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Yet in one reincarnation of the bill there is a provision. Please remember that Democrats are more concerning about the Republicans (whose fear borders on insanity on this point).

The interesting thing is that this a paid for public option. Meaning you must pay premiums. Personally, I don't think that you should establish legality for a product. Since it is YOUR money that you are spending.
Shouldn't anyone who is able to pay be able to obtain health insurance (regardless of legality)?
Sorry, but there are tax-funded provisions in the bill to ensure coverage for the poor. This would also include “poor” illegal aliens. Furthermore, if an illegal has a US-born child, the entire family would qualify. At least 75% of all illegals currently living in this country have US-born children. How is that “excluding” illegals?
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Old 11-12-2009, 10:03 AM
 
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Sorry, but there are tax-funded provisions in the bill to ensure coverage for the poor. This would also include “poor” illegal aliens. Furthermore, if an illegal has a US-born child, the entire family would qualify. At least 75% of all illegals currently living in this country have US-born children. How is that “excluding” illegals?
US born children are citizens according to the law. Also, not it doesn't allow for poor illegal immigrants. I don't think the enitre family would qualify, I'll have to do more research on this point.

So again, sorry, but it seems that illegal immigrants are simply not coveraged with such provisions.

Let's not forget that nothing has been passed into law quite yet.
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Old 11-12-2009, 10:15 AM
 
Location: Maryland
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US born children are citizens according to the law. Also, not it doesn't allow for poor illegal immigrants. I don't think the enitre family would qualify, I'll have to do more research on this point.

So again, sorry, but it seems that illegal immigrants are simply not coveraged with such provisions.

Let's not forget that nothing has been passed into law quite yet.
Wrong again. Illegals know how to play the system. They use their conveniently US-born children to qualify for many benefits reserved for citizens. How do you think they receive food stamps and other welfare benefits, and subsidized housing? After all, the checks aren’t made payable to the babies.
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Old 11-12-2009, 12:32 PM
 
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Wrong again. Illegals know how to play the system. They use their conveniently US-born children to qualify for many benefits reserved for citizens. How do you think they receive food stamps and other welfare benefits, and subsidized housing? After all, the checks aren’t made payable to the babies.
No, I'm right about this...According to the CIS, roughly 20% of illegal Mexican households are on welfare. 8% on foodstamps, 1.9% for subsidized housing (vs. 4.2% for native born Americans)...so the VAST majority are not using welfare. This is from a HIGHLY anti-immigration source.

Don't know how the SMALL minority of people obtain said benefits. The largest benefit used was subsidized school lunches at 37%.
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Old 11-12-2009, 02:44 PM
 
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No, I'm right about this...According to the CIS, roughly 20% of illegal Mexican households are on welfare. 8% on foodstamps, 1.9% for subsidized housing (vs. 4.2% for native born Americans)...so the VAST majority are not using welfare. This is from a HIGHLY anti-immigration source.

Don't know how the SMALL minority of people obtain said benefits. The largest benefit used was subsidized school lunches at 37%.
20% of HOUSEHOLDS. Not 20% of illegal alien mexican individuals. How many are in a typical 'household'? 10? 5? Now the percentages start to climb!

There goes your 'VAST majority'.
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Old 11-13-2009, 09:25 AM
 
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20% of HOUSEHOLDS. Not 20% of illegal alien mexican individuals. How many are in a typical 'household'? 10? 5? Now the percentages start to climb!

There goes your 'VAST majority'.
You don't recieve benefits on an indivdual basis. Meaning, that if mom, dad, brother, sister, don't recieve each a check. That the ENTIRE household recieves one check.

So no vast majority...
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Old 11-13-2009, 11:04 AM
 
Location: New Jersey
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You don't recieve benefits on an indivdual basis. Meaning, that if mom, dad, brother, sister, don't recieve each a check. That the ENTIRE household recieves one check.

So no vast majority...
Yes, I believe people DO receive benefits individually. A mother has one child and is on welfare...she gets XX dollars. If she has a second or third the number of dollars increases, as does the amount of food stamps.

Correct me if I'm wrong. I'm not on welfare.

Everyone living in the household receives the welfare/food stamp benefit.

It equals almost 100 million dollars a year out of taxpayers pockets to take care of the illegals. That's $100 million that could be going to our schools or another worthy cause. And it's coming out of MY POCKET!

Last edited by Fox Terrier; 11-13-2009 at 11:18 AM.. Reason: wanted to add a little more
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Old 11-13-2009, 11:05 AM
 
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You don't recieve benefits on an indivdual basis. Meaning, that if mom, dad, brother, sister, don't recieve each a check. That the ENTIRE household recieves one check.

So no vast majority...
Except in these multiple family homes many times there are different heads of households in them even though they can be related to each other so each individual head of household receives a check for their immediate family.
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Old 11-13-2009, 11:11 AM
 
Location: Maryland
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Except in these multiple family homes many times there are different heads of households in them even though they can be related to each other so each individual head of household receives a check for their immediate family.
Someone mentioned knowing a postal worker who delivers 10 welfare checks to one address occupied by “immigrants.”
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Old 11-13-2009, 11:17 AM
 
Location: The Wine Country, CA
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Even if Illegal Aliens are excluded in the health care bill, I do see organizations such as the National Council of La Raza and the ACLU jumping into the litigation game to ensure that Illegal Aliens WILL be covered.. Somehow excluding a group would be considered "Unconstitutional" and IF the case goes as far as the Supreme Court there's a member of the National Council of La Raza that would be sympathetic to their cause..
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