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Old 11-13-2009, 08:10 PM
 
Location: Maryland
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Yes I do...do you? You can say there is no connection since there is no predisposition. There are blondes who are criminals, is there a connection there? NO. Each population has criminals, does that mean that each characteristic is a connection. No. You find something that ACTUALLY correlates to each other. Not post some crimes and say "Hey, they were illegal and committed crimes. That must mean that there is a connection".

The second to last sentence and the last sentence seem to contradict each other. If there is a connection it must imply a predisposition (being illegal causes this...) However, the last sentence states that this is not the case.

What other factors MAY contribute to said crimes? Rapists typically have a history of mental health disorders. Burglaries are more likely to occur in areas where the median household income is less than 50k a year. Murders also occur more frequently in areas with lower educational attainment and lower median income. Maybe you should look at those characteristics.
Perhaps you can comprehend this. A percentage of teenagers get pregnant each year. Thus, you cannot state that there is no connection between teens and pregnancy. However, the mere fact that one is a teenager does not predispose one to pregnancy.

Conversely, it has been scientifically proven that children of schizophrenics may be, but are not necessarily, predisposed to schizophrenia. I can’t make it simpler. If you are still fixated on your notion of predisposition, I can’t help you.

 
Old 11-13-2009, 08:14 PM
 
Location: Houston, TX
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Perhaps you can comprehend this. A percentage of teenagers get pregnant each year. Thus, you cannot state that there is no connection between teens and pregnancy. However, the mere fact that one is a teenager does not predispose one to pregnancy.

Conversely, it has been scientifically proven that children of schizophrenics may be, but are not necessarily, predisposed to schizophrenia. I canít make it simpler. If you are still fixated on your notion of predisposition, I canít help you.
Wow...talk about confusing statement. How does this relate to illegal immigrants again?
 
Old 11-13-2009, 08:29 PM
 
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Perhaps you can comprehend this. A percentage of teenagers get pregnant each year. Thus, you cannot state that there is no connection between teens and pregnancy. However, the mere fact that one is a teenager does not predispose one to pregnancy.

Conversely, it has been scientifically proven that children of schizophrenics may be, but are not necessarily, predisposed to schizophrenia. I canít make it simpler. If you are still fixated on your notion of predisposition, I canít help you.
Okay, I can find a redhead from Sherman Oaks who drinks Starbucks and speeds that raped somebody. Does that mean these things are related (rape and all the other characteristics)? NO. It doesn't...

Simply the statement relationship IMPLIES causation (predisposition). Smoking causes cancer (you are contributing towards traits that predispose one towards cancer if you smoke). By stating relationship you are establishing causation. Illegal immigration ---> rape. However, there is NO relationship.

Just as drinking Starbucks has no bearing to the hypothetical rapist, being illegal has no bearing as well. Just like living in Sherman Oaks has no bearing, neither does illegal immigration. Just like being a redhead had no bearing, neither does illegal immigration. Here's a parallel...the person speeds (one illegal action) and the person raped somebody (two illegal actions). Are the two related? No. Since there is no causation or predisposition, thus the two have no bearing to each other.
 
Old 11-13-2009, 08:48 PM
 
Location: Maryland
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Wow...talk about confusing statement. How does this relate to illegal immigrants again?
You would need to ask Dr. that1guy.
 
Old 11-13-2009, 08:50 PM
 
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Okay, I can find a redhead from Sherman Oaks who drinks Starbucks and speeds that raped somebody. Does that mean these things are related (rape and all the other characteristics)? NO. It doesn't...

Simply the statement relationship IMPLIES causation (predisposition). Smoking causes cancer (you are contributing towards traits that predispose one towards cancer if you smoke). By stating relationship you are establishing causation. Illegal immigration ---> rape. However, there is NO relationship.

Just as drinking Starbucks has no bearing to the hypothetical rapist, being illegal has no bearing as well. Just like living in Sherman Oaks has no bearing, neither does illegal immigration. Just like being a redhead had no bearing, neither does illegal immigration. Here's a parallel...the person speeds (one illegal action) and the person raped somebody (two illegal actions). Are the two related? No. Since there is no causation or predisposition, thus the two have no bearing to each other.
Iím finished with this nonsense. Carry on.
 
Old 11-13-2009, 08:51 PM
 
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Iím finished with this nonsense. Carry on.
Good so you realize that you made no sense whatsoever...
 
Old 11-13-2009, 08:52 PM
 
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You would need to ask Dr. that1guy.
If you post something that is absolutely wrong, don't get mad...just understand the problem. Sorry, but what you put down was called rubbish by three people...I mean now you act rather mad, it's almost comical...
 
Old 11-13-2009, 09:10 PM
 
Location: Maryland
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Good so you realize that you made no sense whatsoever...
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If you post something that is absolutely wrong, don't get mad...just understand the problem. Sorry, but what you put down was called rubbish by three people...I mean now you act rather mad, it's almost comical...
Donít flatter yourself. Iím not mad. There simply is no debating nonsense. If I said the sky is blue, you would say -- only if there are no clouds. . . and then it could rain. . . and then it could snow. . . and then we could have a tornado. . . and then it could be night.
 
Old 11-13-2009, 09:28 PM
 
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Donít flatter yourself. Iím not mad. There simply is no debating nonsense. If I said the sky is blue, you would say -- only if there are no clouds. . . and then it could rain. . . and then it could snow. . . and then we could have a tornado. . . and then it could be night.
Well, act it. Simply observation. Why would that be flattering? Yeah you are right, except that you aren't really making sense...It's as if you try so hard to find a way to explain how illegal immigration and rape is linked, then get into a tiff when people explain to PAINFULLY slowly that it doesn't quite work that way. So you can either learn from this, or continue in the same illogical manner... (illegals cause rape, therefore the two are related. redheads cause rape, therefore the two are related). That's simply illogical. It's like saying the sky is blue and I ate breakfast, therefore the two are linked...
 
Old 11-13-2009, 09:29 PM
 
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Donít flatter yourself. Iím not mad. There simply is no debating nonsense. If I said the sky is blue, you would say -- only if there are no clouds. . . and then it could rain. . . and then it could snow. . . and then we could have a tornado. . . and then it could be night.
I know you meant this unintentionally, but that is exactly the same logic YOU used...Ironic, yet doesn't even realize it.
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