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Old 11-13-2009, 07:36 PM
 
Location: Houston, TX
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That's because they don't know if someone is legal or illegal when a fake or stolen I.D. is used. That is why we need e-verify.
Right. So many LEGAL people are working with other people's SSN numbers and paying taxes. If you are legal and have your own SSN, why would you work with someone elses? Doesn't make sense.

My point is:

Yes we have illegal immigrants. We need to secure the border and stop the influx of illegal immigrants from all parts of the world. Now are they parasites like some would like to suggest? No. Believe it or not, they pay taxes. They use and pay for services. They shop and spend billions on products, which help our American corporations. People who spend billions in taxes and goods are hardly parasites in my book.

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Old 11-13-2009, 07:41 PM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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Right. So many LEGAL people are working with other people's SSN numbers and paying taxes. If you are legal and have your own SSN, why would you work with someone elses? Doesn't make sense.
And those individuals need to be punished as well.
 
Old 11-13-2009, 07:41 PM
 
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Many in the illegal immigration debate think that "Anchor babies" are just as bad as their illegal parents. We hear how "Anchor babies", who are American Citizens, should be deported with their illegal parents.

My question is, a person who can trace their "roots" back to let's say the mid 1700s America, more American than the first Generation Mexican American whose parents are illegal aliens?
I can. Freeman family in Westchester PA. My grandfather's family were Quakers. It could be possible that I my family came on the Abigail in 1635. Since lore has it that the PA Freemans became Quakers and seperated from the Cape Cod Colony. My family typically puts us here in the 1750s though. I digress.

Oddly, I wasn't born here. Born in Riyadh. My mom came from West Africa. My grandmother's family came during the immigration boom at the turn of the 20th century.

So I don't think I am any more American, than say a first generation Mexican. In fact, I don't think my cousins are any more American.

The definition of American has changed. With mass media, technology, and increased global trade, cultures around the world are coalescing. The troubles in Iran were on Twitter and Facebook. Chinese families were posting Youtube videos of earthquake devestation. On the hipster cultural scene, Pho is seen as too mainstream. Ethiopian food is seen as becoming the next sushi (mainstream suburban thrill).

We are in the information age. An age where national identity isn't erased, but rather more flexible than in any other time in history.
 
Old 11-13-2009, 07:47 PM
 
Location: Houston, TX
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And those individuals need to be punished as well.
Come ArizonaBear....really? How many legal people work with other people's SSN. You gotta admit, doesn't make much sense.
 
Old 11-13-2009, 07:48 PM
 
Location: Maryland
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Really...and what report are you referring to? May you direct me to a US government report that shows the US is accepting billions in tax dollars from illegals, and then the feds and states are paying more in services. I would love to see that report.
I will direct you to that report after you direct me to your report listing the names and the billions in taxes illegals aliens are paying.
 
Old 11-13-2009, 07:50 PM
 
Location: Houston, TX
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I will direct you to that report after you direct me to your report listing the names and the billions in taxes illegals aliens are paying.
Many illegal immigrants pay up at tax time - USATODAY.com

"Illegal immigrants are paying taxes to Uncle Sam, experts agree. Just how much they pay is hard to determine because the federal government doesn't fully tally it. But the latest figures available indicate it will amount to billions of dollars in federal income, Social Security and Medicare taxes this year. One rough estimate puts the amount of Social Security taxes alone at around $9 billion per year."
 
Old 11-13-2009, 07:51 PM
 
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I posted this about 2 or 3 times...Benicar commented on this before...Maybe this time she'll read it?
 
Old 11-13-2009, 07:52 PM
 
Location: Maryland
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I can. Freeman family in Westchester PA. My grandfather's family were Quakers. It could be possible that I my family came on the Abigail in 1635. Since lore has it that the PA Freemans became Quakers and seperated from the Cape Cod Colony. My family typically puts us here in the 1750s though. I digress.

Oddly, I wasn't born here. Born in Riyadh. My mom came from West Africa. My grandmother's family came during the immigration boom at the turn of the 20th century.

So I don't think I am any more American, than say a first generation Mexican. In fact, I don't think my cousins are any more American.

The definition of American has changed. With mass media, technology, and increased global trade, cultures around the world are coalescing. The troubles in Iran were on Twitter and Facebook. Chinese families were posting Youtube videos of earthquake devestation. On the hipster cultural scene, Pho is seen as too mainstream. Ethiopian food is seen as becoming the next sushi (mainstream suburban thrill).

We are in the information age. An age where national identity isn't erased, but rather more flexible than in any other time in history.
In other words, anyone in the world can be an American. One need not be a citizen of this country. After all, we are just one big happy global family. We can change our nationality like we change clothes. Letís see, what nationality shall I be tomorrow?
 
Old 11-13-2009, 07:54 PM
 
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Originally Posted by John C. H. View Post
Right. So many LEGAL people are working with other people's SSN numbers and paying taxes. If you are legal and have your own SSN, why would you work with someone elses? Doesn't make sense.

My point is:

Yes we have illegal immigrants. We need to secure the border and stop the influx of illegal immigrants from all parts of the world. Now are they parasites like some would like to suggest? No. Believe it or not, they pay taxes. They use and pay for services. They shop and spend billions on products, which help our American corporations. People who spend billions in taxes and goods are hardly parasites in my book.
Legal people are using other people's SS numbers to work? What are you talking about? You said it, not me.

You assume that the taxes they pay in and the money they spend in this country is more than their costs? Got some proof of that?
 
Old 11-13-2009, 07:56 PM
 
Location: Houston, TX
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In other words, anyone in the world can be an American. One need not be a citizen of this country. After all, we are just one big happy global family. We can change our nationality like we change clothes. Letís see, what nationality shall I be tomorrow?
Believe it or not Benicar, we are a global world now. This is not 1950s America anymore. We are all connected by the wonder which is the internet, as we are now.

Countries depend on each other to survive. You saw the ripple effect the US economy had on the world and vice versa.

He didn't mean eveyone is American, but the all American look is not what it use to be.
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