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Old 11-17-2009, 02:28 PM
 
Location: Minneapolis, MN
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There is still an estimated 1500 people sneaking in per day. How is that a secure border? The route they need to be taking is to seriously crack down on illegal businesses using illegal labor. On the other hand step up work force raids along with random sweeps like what Escondido has done. Road blocks that check licenses, make it extremely uncomfortable.

Once they cannot get a job and have a fear of being deported they will leave just like they did under Ike's watch.

All they will accomplish with this current "plan" is to deplete even more of our social service safety net and draw that many million more here illegally.
I don't disagree with you there.
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Old 11-17-2009, 02:36 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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I don't disagree with you there.
It's exactly what happened after 86.
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Old 11-17-2009, 03:18 PM
 
Location: Minneapolis, MN
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yes but in 86 they didn't have anti-fraud measures in place for ID or the means of keeping electronic databases available to make a detailed identification check in a matter of seconds. That kind of thing can be done now and if used correctly is actually quite effective.
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Old 11-17-2009, 03:50 PM
 
Location: Maryland
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You're right, all members of the US government have ZERO interest in addressing or correcting the the faulty immigration system and policies we have in place.

Trust me, if it was such a simple black and white issue with a simple cost-effective solution that would be beneficial and fair to all parties than this issue would have been corrected a long long time ago. People need to realize that it's a complex and sensitive issue with alot of people's lives at stake. I understand the whole you don't have a right to be here chant bla bla bla, but we all know that the government can't just turn it's back on a massive group of people like that and expect that'll just file out back to their nation of orgin in an orderly manner. Most solutions people have thought up would be ridiculously costly and none of them would be very effective, realistically speaking. This plan they are talking about right now, at least to me, makes alot of sense if properly and effectively implemented and enforced.
I think we all realize the urgency of resolving this issue. We certainly canít expect to have a secure nation as long as anyone with the will and means can enter this country unimpeded. As it is, we have millions of foreigners living here, and we have no idea who they are, or their motives. However, any form of amnesty is not a viable solution.

Itís not as though we donít already have more than enough evidence to prove that amnesty does not work. Amnesty simply begets another amnesty. As long as foreigners believe they can come to this country and live illegally, and ultimately gain legalization, there will never be an incentive NOT to come. If anything, granting another amnesty will send the message to the world that anyone can live here illegally, and in due time, all will be forgiven.

I have no issue with having a stringently monitored guest worker program, IF we need more workers, and as long as the guest workersí US-born children do not receive citizenship. Why should they? We certainly donít grant citizenship to the children of diplomats born here. If illegals are truly here only to work, then let us decide how many we need. When their services are no longer needed, they can return home. Moreover, most illegals arenít interested in a path to citizenship; they simply want to be free to remain in this country without the fear of deportation.

In any case, granting amnesty to 20+ million illegal aliens while we have a tanking economy, and an estimated 30 million citizens either unemployed or underemployed, will be a VERY hard sell to the citizens of this country. It simply canít be justified.

We need to stop playing games, and come down hard on all employers of illegal aliens. If they knew they would spend a minimum of 10 years in federal prison, pay multi-billion dollar fines, and have their ill-gotten assets seized, illegal employment would cease overnight. Unfortunately, cheap labor fuels the greed of globalists; and sadly, they control this country.
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Old 11-17-2009, 03:53 PM
 
Location: Maryland
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yes but in 86 they didn't have anti-fraud measures in place for ID or the means of keeping electronic databases available to make a detailed identification check in a matter of seconds. That kind of thing can be done now and if used correctly is actually quite effective.
All of the technology in the world makes no difference if our government refuses to enforce our laws. Itís not that they canít; they wonít.
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Old 11-17-2009, 04:00 PM
 
Location: Minneapolis, MN
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All of the technology in the world makes no difference if our government refuses to enforce our laws. It’s not that they can’t; they won’t.
I'm equally frustrated that the federal government has been so slow to recognize the effectiveness of practices such as E-verify and other electronic identification checks (checking the 4 points of identification for new hires)...very cost efficient, not overly difficult to enforce, and proven to be very effective. Roll that out to all states and territories ASAP is what I say.
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Old 11-17-2009, 04:11 PM
 
Location: Maryland
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I'm equally frustrated that the federal government has been so slow to recognize the effectiveness of practices such as E-verify and other electronic identification checks (checking the 4 points of identification for new hires)...very cost efficient, not overly difficult to enforce, and proven to be very effective. Roll that out to all states and territories ASAP is what I say.
How true. Yet, every chance they get, they defeat attempts to mandate E-Verify. La Raza, the ACLU, Chamber of Commerce, and numerous other pro-illegal groups continue to fight this tooth and nail. Isnít obvious why they donít want it.

Activists from both sides need to join forces and fight these organizations, as well as demand our government protect the citizens of this country by securing our borders. If we would stop fighting each other and fight the ďrealĒ enemies, we could make a difference. Sadly, that wonít happen. Divided we fall.
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Old 11-17-2009, 04:14 PM
 
Location: Minneapolis, MN
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I haven't read into this a whole lot but I'd be fascinated to hear what the argument is against using E-Verify and similar ID checks for newly hired employees. I just don't see the downside of it and don't see that is violates anything in the constitution, any human rights, etc. I mean do those organizations really have that much effect in the momentum of immigration legislation when it comes down to it?
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Old 11-17-2009, 04:22 PM
 
Location: Maryland
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I haven't read into this a whole lot but I'd be fascinated to hear what the argument is against using E-Verify and similar ID checks for newly hired employees. I just don't see the downside of it and don't see that is violates anything in the constitution, any human rights, etc. I mean do those organizations really have that much effect in the momentum of immigration legislation when it comes down to it?
All of these organizations have very deep pockets and high-powered lobbyists doing their dirty work. Greed has become the flavor of the decade, and they will do anything to ensure a steady flow of cheap illegal labor.

These organizations realize E-Verify is very effective, which is why they vehemently oppose it. Make no mistake, they are very powerful. La Raza and the Chamber of Commerce are even involved in the drafting of CIR.
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Old 11-17-2009, 04:28 PM
 
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I haven't read into this a whole lot but I'd be fascinated to hear what the argument is against using E-Verify and similar ID checks for newly hired employees. I just don't see the downside of it and don't see that is violates anything in the constitution, any human rights, etc. I mean do those organizations really have that much effect in the momentum of immigration legislation when it comes down to it?
Well of course the greedy employers don't want it. That would mean they couldn't hire illegals anymore and our government wants to please their corporate masters. Add to that the pro-illegal groups claiming it isn't accurate enough even though it is around 98-99% accurate and there you have your answer why we don't have e-verify mandated across the board. Yes, those organizations/employers do have that much power unfortunately.
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