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Old 11-17-2009, 05:00 PM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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"Notice how many Asians and Indians were given minimal barriers to live their lives productive and successful, and hence had no need to create militant race based groups."

Give them a generation. It may very well be that the first born generation may have a very different attitude than their parents did. Their parents, who were grateful for the opportunity to come to America to better their lives may have a very different attitude than their American born children. Sometimes the first born generation don't know what their parents were running away from. Sometimes in an effort to remember their heritage and culture they disregard ours not realizing that in the process they may be turning this country into what their parents ran away from. I say sometimes, because this of course isn't always the case, but it needs to be said.

"Same case for Latinos, only the Southwest seems to be the epicenter of preventing Latinos who were productive to assimilate."

You would get a very different answer from my "Latino" husband who was born and grew up in the Southwest who happens to be a very successful businessman today, his "Latino" brothers I might add are quite successful as well. I put Latino in quotes because my husband and I do not believe in the hyphenated-American. He always has considered himself to be American, period. I submit that is partially why he is successful. He never played the race card or held a pity party. He wasn't raised that way. His parents came from Mexico in the mid-50s. His parents are naturalized citizens and appreciate the opportunities that presented themselves. With regard to the Asians, Indians and Mexicans of which you speak...I've been wondering, are some of those folks who vote bringing in more socialism or communism to this countries politics? I'm just curious because I was recently told by a businesswoman who travelled extensively to India, the two political parties are Socialism and Communism. Wow! Really? We know from visiting Mexico in the early 80s the Communist symbol was all over the place. I grew up during a time when Communism was still considered a scary thing, so I couldn't wait to cross back over the border into my own country. As I said, this was in the early 80s. I haven't been to that part of Mexico since, (TJ ), so that may have changed by now.

"By barriers to assimilate, what would that consist of? Well it ranges from financial barriers like not allowing them to get a job they would be qualified for and not qualifying them for a loan for a home even if they had good credit. Judicial barriers would include pulling them over even if they didn't look like hoodlums and giving them stiffer penalties for crimes than their white counterparts. Social barriers (which I believe is the biggest problem today) would include restricting minorities to date whites or even other minorities just outside their race, whether by the legal forces of anti-miscegenation laws of the past, or today's social forces of having media outlets parading the most violent of Latinos and dumbest of Blacks on our TV and movie screens and selling it to the world as the standard norm of those ethnic groups."

I've already established my husband and the rest of his family have done well, so I'll skip to the rest of your comments.

Since I'm what you would call "white" the whole dating/marrying a minorty barrier doesn't make sense to me. I would add that our half "brown" son is currently dating a "black" woman and has dated Asian women as well.

As far as not being hired for jobs for which they are qualified, I might have to grant you that only because I worked as a Human Resources Manager for the largest retailer in this country and will relate my experience to you. Since we had Affirmative Action quotas by which we had to abide, I was unable to hire an "African-American" who was more qualified than the "Pacific Islander" I needed in order to meet government quotas. Additionally, since we needed to meet the quota of a Hispanic Female in a management role...guess what? I had the hispanic last name and I was female and I was in management. Was I hispanic? No, but I had the hispanic last name. Done deal, quota met. This is why I am so against Affirmative Action. The intention was good, but it no longer holds water and it only ends up discriminating against those who are qualified for the job.

I've also worked in the mortgage business. I can tell you from my personal experience in Southern California that we never discriminated against any minority. They either qualified for the loan or they didn't. I would be interested to know where you got your information on that one. There were laws that were obeyed when I was in the business.
As you stated.

Frankly; Affirmative Action based on race/ethnicity is Jim Crow turned around and needs to be banned.

Funny how American Blacks who did well: i.e. sports (name your athlete of choice), politics (President Obama....need I say more?), as well as the military (Colin Powell) rose to the top without AA. Either one hits the basket, golf ball, wins the White House, etc. or does not based on their own merits.

 
Old 11-17-2009, 05:08 PM
 
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that's not the reason. the reason is the majority of americans want spanish to be the second language, don't mind it or enjoy mexican culture. americans really like mexican food and music etc. americans in general are kind of country type folk and like 'down home' type cultures etc.
The majority of Americans want Spanish as our second language? WTH did you get that from? Where are the stats backed up by a viable poll? Enjoying ethnic food is one thing but adopting a whole different language is quite another. Actually many Americans don't want to make Spanish of any importance in this country due to the fact that most of the illegals are Spanish speakers and they don't want to accomodate them for that reason.
 
Old 11-17-2009, 05:18 PM
 
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Most people who write posts like the OP know nothing about immigrants aside from the ones who walk in the mall and wear traditional dress.

Yes, the immigrants who move here are very traditional and rarely assimilate. HOWEVER, their children do assimilate because unlike their parents they go to school with American kids, eat American food in the same cafeteria and grow up with the same culture as mainstream Americans so they do assimilate.

The problem is conservative and closed minded White Americans act like you are not assimilated unless you are exactly like them. And that's the problem with these good ole boy xenophobic and uncultured posts. You want these people including their Americanized children to abandon their culture because you don't have one. You feel isolated and left out and instead of learning or trying to embrace a different culture, you adopt an adversarial attitude and thus develop hate toward foreign cultures. You disguise your hatred by arguing that the problem is with immigrants failing to assimilate when you are really thinking "Damn those foreigners for not aspiring to become exactly like me" I hear good ole boys make fun of foreigners who speak English with an accent which is funny because I would like to hear those people speak a foreign language. Have you ever heard good ole boys speak Spanish? They don't even try to enunciate Spanish properly and sound retarded when they speak as a result.
 
Old 11-17-2009, 05:39 PM
 
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Most people who write posts like the OP know nothing about immigrants aside from the ones who walk in the mall and wear traditional dress.

Yes, the immigrants who move here are very traditional and rarely assimilate. HOWEVER, their children do assimilate because unlike their parents they go to school with American kids, eat American food in the same cafeteria and grow up with the same culture as mainstream Americans so they do assimilate.

The problem is conservative and closed minded White Americans act like you are not assimilated unless you are exactly like them. And that's the problem with these good ole boy xenophobic and uncultured posts. You want these people including their Americanized children to abandon their culture because you don't have one. You feel isolated and left out and instead of learning or trying to embrace a different culture, you adopt an adversarial attitude and thus develop hate toward foreign cultures. You disguise your hatred by arguing that the problem is with immigrants failing to assimilate when you are really thinking "Damn those foreigners for not aspiring to become exactly like me" I hear good ole boys make fun of foreigners who speak English with an accent which is funny because I would like to hear those people speak a foreign language. Have you ever heard good ole boys speak Spanish? They don't even try to enunciate Spanish properly and sound retarded when they speak as a result.
I think that is, quite possibly, the 2nd most bigoted post I've read on this site since I joined....
 
Old 11-17-2009, 05:41 PM
 
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Most people who write posts like the OP know nothing about immigrants aside from the ones who walk in the mall and wear traditional dress.

Yes, the immigrants who move here are very traditional and rarely assimilate. HOWEVER, their children do assimilate because unlike their parents they go to school with American kids, eat American food in the same cafeteria and grow up with the same culture as mainstream Americans so they do assimilate.

The problem is conservative and closed minded White Americans act like you are not assimilated unless you are exactly like them. And that's the problem with these good ole boy xenophobic and uncultured posts. You want these people including their Americanized children to abandon their culture because you don't have one. You feel isolated and left out and instead of learning or trying to embrace a different culture, you adopt an adversarial attitude and thus develop hate toward foreign cultures. You disguise your hatred by arguing that the problem is with immigrants failing to assimilate when you are really thinking "Damn those foreigners for not aspiring to become exactly like me" I hear good ole boys make fun of foreigners who speak English with an accent which is funny because I would like to hear those people speak a foreign language. Have you ever heard good ole boys speak Spanish? They don't even try to enunciate Spanish properly and sound retarded when they speak as a result.
White people don't have a culture? Our country doesn't have a basic culture? What are you smoking? I don't hate other cultures. I enjoy many things about other cultures. Food, music, you name it. Assimilation when an immigrant comes here is a totally different subject. No one is asking them to give up their culture in their homes but when out in mainstream America blend in and adopt our culture and language also.

I don't care if an immigrant speaks English with an accent either. I would much rather they respect and care enough about our language to learn it and to use it rather than in your face all day long with theirs.

It is simply amazing to me that some people think that America doesn't have its own culture but they will be the first to admit that Mexico and every other country in the world does and they are ok with it but we aren't suppose to say we have one or we are called racists and/or xenophobes. These same people feel the way they do because they hate the white majority in this country and their culture that has been dominant since its founding. Well tough, it is what it is and perhaps they should get over their own racism.
 
Old 11-17-2009, 05:51 PM
 
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White people don't have a culture? Our country doesn't have a basic culture? What are you smoking? I don't hate other cultures. I enjoy many things about other cultures. Food, music, you name it. Assimilation when an immigrant comes here is a totally different subject. No one is asking them to give up their culture in their homes but when out in mainstream America blend in and adopt our culture and language also.

I don't care if an immigrant speaks English with an accent either. I would much rather they respect and care enough about our language to learn it and to use it rather than in your face all day long with theirs.

It is simply amazing to me that some people think that America doesn't have its own culture but they will be the first to admit that Mexico and every other country in the world does and they are ok with it but we aren't suppose to say we have one or we are called racists and/or xenophobes. These same people feel the way they do because they hate the white majority in this country and their culture that has been dominant since its founding. Well tough, it is what it is and perhaps they should get over their own racism.
American culture is comprised of many cultures and that's something you don't get. American culture is not White Culture. When ignorant people talk about "American culture' what they really mean is Christian White Anglo English speaking culture. I still hear crap about second and third generation Asian and Muslim AMERICAN CITIZENS because they aren't Christian or because they still adhere to certain cultural rituals or if they speak English with a slight accent. It's just never enough for the good ole boys. This assimilation argument is just a front to justify racism.

I have no problem saying people should learn to read and write English in this country and respect their neighbors. But they have no obligation to go hunting, attend Church, drive trucks, watch Nascar, eat hot dogs and hang Christmas lights on their house. If you don't do those things then you are not "assimilated" according to them.
 
Old 11-17-2009, 06:00 PM
 
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I think that is, quite possibly, the 2nd most bigoted post I've read on this site since I joined....
Of course you will feel that way because you are probably one of the people I'm addressing in that post. Rather than acknowledge your own faults, you will try to depict me as the bigot. Typical
 
Old 11-17-2009, 06:03 PM
 
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Most people who write posts like the OP know nothing about immigrants aside from the ones who walk in the mall and wear traditional dress.
Legal Immigrants are usually easy to spot, regardless of what they are wearing. They tend to be educated, legally employed in a worthy profession and multi-lingual. One of the languages of which they speak being English. Additionally, the same can be said about their children.

Illegal "immigrant" women (particularly those who have invaded America from SOB) can usually be spotted at the welfare office, in line at the grocery store in line with 2 carts full of groceries and a link card or trudging up and down the streets with 2 or 3 out of control anchors and bursting at the seams with one more in the oven. They are also monolingual and are usually heard loudly screaming in spanish at their out of control brood. Their male counterparts can be found hanging around Home Depot praying for a ride to a low wage day job.

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Yes, the immigrants who move here are very traditional and rarely assimilate. HOWEVER, their children do assimilate because unlike their parents they go to school with American kids, eat American food in the same cafeteria and grow up with the same culture as mainstream Americans so they do assimilate.
I have worked with and lived in various communities amongst legal immigrants and I have never met one who did not speak English, as did their children. The majority of the legal immigrants here are from 3rd world countries and while many maintain their native languages and cultures, they usually immigrate here having already learned English and if they haven't they make a concerted effort to do so. They are grateful to be here and eager to assimilate. Immigrants are those who apply to be admitted to the US legally as opposed to illegal aliens who wait until they are 9 months pregnant and swim across the Rio Grand, pay a coyote to smuggle them in the US, or run across the southern border in full blown labor leaving everyone they claim to love behind.

I find it tragically amusing that you fail to mention that the majority of the non-English speaking peasants of which you speak are illegal aliens primarily from Mexico. I also find it strange that yourself or the ethnocentric hordes have yet to question why or at the very least have enough sense to be ashamed of the only reason Americans and legal immigrants are forced to "PRESS 2 FOR ENGLISH". FYI: sadly, corporate America assumes (and rightly so) that said illiterate, ignorant and non-assimilating illegal aliens are not intelligent enough to learn the English language. The fact that they aren't even smart enough to realize how pathetically worthless the corporate masters consider them to be is a tragedy within itself.

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The problem is conservative and closed minded White Americans act like you are not assimilated unless you are exactly like them. And that's the problem with these good ole boy xenophobic and uncultured posts. You want these people including their Americanized children to abandon their culture because you don't have one. You feel isolated and left out and instead of learning or trying to embrace a different culture, you adopt an adversarial attitude and thus develop hate toward foreign cultures. You disguise your hatred by arguing that the problem is with immigrants failing to assimilate when you are really thinking "Damn those foreigners for not aspiring to become exactly like me" I hear good ole boys make fun of foreigners who speak English with an accent which is funny because I would like to hear those people speak a foreign language. Have you ever heard good ole boys speak Spanish? They don't even try to enunciate Spanish properly and sound retarded when they speak as a result.
Contrary to the belief of ethnocentric racists who post the same idiotic statements on a daily basis, Americans and legal residents of all races, ethnicities, cultures and backgrounds share the common belief of the "White Americans" you unsuccessfully attempt to hold accountable for the ignorance and illiteracy of illegal aliens. The only reason they receive "special treatment" in America is to keep them mentally enslaved and financially dependent on the low wages they receive. Mexico desperately needs those remittances to keep it from imploding and the corporate masters in America are simply using them to perpetually fatten their bottom lines.

Did you honestly think that pressing 2 for English is a courtesy designed to show illegal alien spanish speakers how much they are loved?
 
Old 11-17-2009, 06:04 PM
 
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American culture is comprised of many cultures and that's something you don't get. When ignorant people talk about "American culture' what they really mean is Christian White Anglo English speaking culture. I still hear crap about second and third generation Asian and Muslim AMERICAN CITIZENS because they aren't Christian or because they still adhere to certain cultural rituals or if they speak English with a slight accent. It's just never enough for the good ole boys. This assimilation argument is just a front to justify racism.

I have no problem saying people should learn to read and write English in this country and respect their neighbors. But they have no obligation to go hunting, attend Church, drive trucks, watch Nascar, eat hot dogs and hang Christmas lights on their house. If you don't do those things then you are not "assimilated" according to them.
We have our own unique identifying culture with other cultures adding to the melting pot over the years. That doesn't nullify our BASIC culture. No, YOU just don't get it!

I could say the same thing. Non-assimilation to a country one decided to migrate to is just an excuse to be racist against Americans. As I said, one can practice their native culture and language all they want in their homes but become a part of mainstream America outside of their homes. So where are they being deprived? It is mostly a language issue with me anyway. Why not speak the language of this country when out in public? Is that so terrible?
 
Old 11-17-2009, 06:06 PM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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American culture is comprised of many cultures and that's something you don't get. American culture is not White Culture. When ignorant people talk about "American culture' what they really mean is Christian White Anglo English speaking culture. I still hear crap about second and third generation Asian and Muslim AMERICAN CITIZENS because they aren't Christian or because they still adhere to certain cultural rituals or if they speak English with a slight accent. It's just never enough for the good ole boys. This assimilation argument is just a front to justify racism.

I have no problem saying people should learn to read and write English in this country and respect their neighbors. But they have no obligation to go hunting, attend Church, drive trucks, watch Nascar, eat hot dogs and hang Christmas lights on their house. If you don't do those things then you are not "assimilated" according to them.
And what is wrong with WASP culture?

WASP culture also symbolizes the Rule of Law, frugality, sobriety, belief in education------------which was aligned closely enough with Japanese, Jewish, etc. cultures to the point it 'killed' the ancestral beliefs of same when they immigrated legally to the USA. Illegals don't count since they are 100% criminals factoring in ID theft, non reporting of income and so on.
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