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Old 11-24-2009, 01:35 PM
 
Location: Maryland
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How much would it cost to deport 21 million people? Probably several billion dollars...as if the government hasn't already flushed enough money down the toilet, let's go flush some more. I guarantee several weeks later all those people would be back in the country anyway, it's a terrible idea.
Perhaps a better question is: How much will it cost if we grant amnesty to 20+ million illegal aliens?

Let’s see. . . . .

The majority are uneducated and unskilled. Thus, they will continue to earn peanuts. Consequently, they will not pay their share of taxes relative to services received. Their low wages will also qualify them for tax refunds such as EIC. Essentially, they will pay no taxes. Compounding this problem will be their need for government assistance to supplement their meager wages. Otherwise, they can’t support their families. In other words, we will increase the welfare rolls by importing poverty.

Their high birth rate will produce even higher healthcare costs for taxpayers. Remember, they earn little; thus, they will qualify for Medicaid, including WIC, another tax-funded program. Illegal alien births account for the majority of births funded by taxpayers at many hospitals in this country. Parkland Hospital comes to mind, where 75% of babies born are children of illegals. Their irresponsible childbearing habits will not change simply because they are suddenly legal.

Many states are already experiencing huge budget deficits. Imagine what will happen when these same struggling states are now mandated to include the amnestied illegals. Don’t think they won’t be the first in line to avail themselves of state benefits.

In a nutshell, it will cost additional billions annually to sustain 20+ million amnestied illegals and the 80+ million relatives they will sponsor. Included in this chain migration will be millions of uneducated, unskilled, and elderly. We will then be responsible for them as well. Remember, family reunification is a salient aspect of the so-called immigration reform.

We can’t afford to support our own poor citizens. How on earth will we support millions more? Remember, whatever taxes they pay will be negligible.

And the list goes on. . . . . .
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Old 11-24-2009, 02:13 PM
 
Location: Minneapolis, MN
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Perhaps a better question is: How much will it cost if we grant amnesty to 20+ million illegal aliens?

Let’s see. . . . .

The majority are uneducated and unskilled. Thus, they will continue to earn peanuts. Consequently, they will not pay their share of taxes relative to services received. Their low wages will also qualify them for tax refunds such as EIC. Essentially, they will pay no taxes. Compounding this problem will be their need for government assistance to supplement their meager wages. Otherwise, they can’t support their families. In other words, we will increase the welfare rolls by importing poverty.

Their high birth rate will produce even higher healthcare costs for taxpayers. Remember, they earn little; thus, they will qualify for Medicaid, including WIC, another tax-funded program. Illegal alien births account for the majority of births funded by taxpayers at many hospitals in this country. Parkland Hospital comes to mind, where 75% of babies born are children of illegals. Their irresponsible childbearing habits will not change simply because they are suddenly legal.

Many states are already experiencing huge budget deficits. Imagine what will happen when these same struggling states are now mandated to include the amnestied illegals. Don’t think they won’t be the first in line to avail themselves of state benefits.

In a nutshell, it will cost additional billions annually to sustain 20+ million amnestied illegals and the 80+ million relatives they will sponsor. Included in this chain migration will be millions of uneducated, unskilled, and elderly. We will then be responsible for them as well. Remember, family reunification is a salient aspect of the so-called immigration reform.

We can’t afford to support our own poor citizens. How on earth will we support millions more? Remember, whatever taxes they pay will be negligible.

And the list goes on. . . . . .
I'm not sure where you get your numbers, but they're debatable. The undocumented immigrants I know work 2 full time jobs and earn in the 50-60k/year range. Many of them are also home/business owners so on top of income taxes you also have property taxes as well as sales taxes for all the money they spend here...it adds up. The uneducated and unskilled statement is garbage too, just a poor generalization that doesn't accurately describe the country's undocumented population. I'm not saying we need to sustain every undocumented immigrant, just that there are cheaper and more effective solutions than deportation...especially when they'll just hop back in a week later.
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Old 11-24-2009, 02:43 PM
 
Location: Maryland
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I'm not sure where you get your numbers, but they're debatable. The undocumented immigrants I know work 2 full time jobs and earn in the 50-60k/year range. Many of them are also home/business owners so on top of income taxes you also have property taxes as well as sales taxes for all the money they spend here...it adds up. The uneducated and unskilled statement is garbage too, just a poor generalization that doesn't accurately describe the country's undocumented population. I'm not saying we need to sustain every undocumented immigrant, just that there are cheaper and more effective solutions than deportation...especially when they'll just hop back in a week later.
The illegals you know are not representative of the vast majority currently living in this country. The majority of illegals are peasants from Mexico, with a 5th grade education. They are certainly not your average entrepreneur. After all, we are not getting the cream of the crop -- we are getting Mexicoís rejects. Even their own country doesnít want them. If they are so resourceful, why canít they make it back home?

Are you suggesting the majority of illegal aliens are educated and skilled professionals? There is plenty of data to refute that. One reason illegals have such a difficult time grasping English in ESL classes is the fact that they are illiterate in their own language. Itís difficult to teach a foreign language when students lack the ability to read or write.
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Old 11-24-2009, 02:48 PM
 
Location: Pa
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I'm not sure where you get your numbers, but they're debatable. The undocumented immigrants I know work 2 full time jobs and earn in the 50-60k/year range. Many of them are also home/business owners so on top of income taxes you also have property taxes as well as sales taxes for all the money they spend here...it adds up. The uneducated and unskilled statement is garbage too, just a poor generalization that doesn't accurately describe the country's undocumented population. I'm not saying we need to sustain every undocumented immigrant, just that there are cheaper and more effective solutions than deportation...especially when they'll just hop back in a week later.
If they are illegals how are they paying their taxes? Oh by using someone elses ID?
Just because you know some who do the things that you claim does not mean that they represent the majority. Most by even the pro-illegals count are in fact unskilled poorly educated people.
All by the law have no right to be here. The cost of deportation can be greatly reduced by just a few measures.
1. Enforce the laws. Punish those who employee Illegals.
2. Punish the illegals when they are caught. Sieze their assets to help offset the costs.
3. Deny them social services. Make life to difficult.
They will self deport. Those who don't? We deport them and deduct the cost from any foreign aid their nation of origin might receive.
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Old 11-24-2009, 03:06 PM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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I'm not sure where you get your numbers, but they're debatable. The undocumented immigrants I know work 2 full time jobs and earn in the 50-60k/year range. Many of them are also home/business owners so on top of income taxes you also have property taxes as well as sales taxes for all the money they spend here...it adds up. The uneducated and unskilled statement is garbage too, just a poor generalization that doesn't accurately describe the country's undocumented population. I'm not saying we need to sustain every undocumented immigrant, just that there are cheaper and more effective solutions than deportation...especially when they'll just hop back in a week later.
If nothing else: the mere presence of those losers is a slap in my face as an American----------and, creates more disrespect for our way of life, both legally as well as morally. Face it: it is patently obvious said illegals' home countries don't want them either since they are usually bottom feeders there.
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Old 11-24-2009, 03:36 PM
 
Location: Minneapolis, MN
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The illegals you know are not representative of the vast majority currently living in this country. The majority of illegals are peasants from Mexico, with a 5th grade education. They are certainly not your average entrepreneur. After all, we are not getting the cream of the crop -- we are getting Mexicoís rejects. Even their own country doesnít want them. If they are so resourceful, why canít they make it back home?
This isn't the case for the majority of undocumented immigrants from Mexico I have come into contact with, it's a popular generalization more than anything. Alot of the Mexicans I know doing janitorial work and working in restaurants are actually trained professionals in Mexico. I know people who have college educations in Mexico, who are accountants, pharmacists, teachers, lawyers, etc. Their education doesn't transfer here and they aren't fluent in English so people mistake them for being uneducated but it simply isn't true, these are intelligent people. It just makes more sense for them to work for $8-12/hr in Burger King here than making $2/hr as a high school teacher (which is commonly regarded as a higher paying job in Mexico).
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Old 11-24-2009, 03:38 PM
 
Location: Minneapolis, MN
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If they are illegals how are they paying their taxes? Oh by using someone elses ID?
Just because you know some who do the things that you claim does not mean that they represent the majority. Most by even the pro-illegals count are in fact unskilled poorly educated people.
All by the law have no right to be here. The cost of deportation can be greatly reduced by just a few measures.
1. Enforce the laws. Punish those who employee Illegals.
2. Punish the illegals when they are caught. Sieze their assets to help offset the costs.
3. Deny them social services. Make life to difficult.
They will self deport. Those who don't? We deport them and deduct the cost from any foreign aid their nation of origin might receive.
Well, since they are illegal and undocumented it makes paying taxes and doing alot of the things a legal resident does much more difficult. They would need to be properly documented to allow them to pay their taxes.
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Old 11-24-2009, 03:39 PM
 
Location: Minneapolis, MN
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If nothing else: the mere presence of those losers is a slap in my face as an American----------and, creates more disrespect for our way of life, both legally as well as morally. Face it: it is patently obvious said illegals' home countries don't want them either since they are usually bottom feeders there.
Yeah, that's not how I feel at all about it. I don't know where people get the idea that their home country doesn't want them, that's a bunch of crap.
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Old 11-24-2009, 04:22 PM
 
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The undocumented immigrants I know work 2 full time jobs and earn in the 50-60k/year range.
Every one of these "undocumented immigrants", otherwise known as illegal aliens, who is employed in this country has committed a felony. And you associate with these felons?
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Old 11-24-2009, 04:43 PM
 
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How much would it cost to deport 21 million people? Probably several billion dollars...as if the government hasn't already flushed enough money down the toilet, let's go flush some more. I guarantee several weeks later all those people would be back in the country anyway, it's a terrible idea.
We wouldn't need to deport most illegal aliens in order to get rid of them. Instead, we need to pass tough laws that would make it practically impossible for illegal aliens to get a job or receive taxpayer funded services. Also, Congress or the Supreme Court needs to do something about the current misinterpretation of the 14th Amendment so that we can put an end to 'anchor babies'. Without any incentives to stay in this country, illegal aliens would begin to self-deport in large numbers. The rest of them would be deported over time as they come to the attention of law enforcement for committing additional crimes or for driving/traffic violations.
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