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Old 11-30-2009, 11:57 AM
 
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The problem is, there are not enough of the bottom rung U.S. citizen workers willing to take low wages comensurate with their lack of skills. Many expect $20/hour even though they are only worth a fraction of this--like say, $8/hour or so.
Prove it! Even if your claims were true there are worker visas available for legal foreign workers if there is a true shortage of American workers for low paying jobs. There is absolutely no reason to hire an illegal worker unless the employer is trying to cheap the system for larger profits.
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Old 11-30-2009, 05:43 PM
 
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Prove it! Even if your claims were true there are worker visas available for legal foreign workers if there is a true shortage of American workers for low paying jobs. There is absolutely no reason to hire an illegal worker unless the employer is trying to cheap the system for larger profits.
The very same question came up in another thread recently. Here is how I answered:

Proof? Easy. I googled the phrase “Illegal aliens work hard for low wages” and here is the first hit:

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Among the low-skilled, immigrants are much more likely than natives to be employed. At the height of the recent economic boom, the number of hours worked by the typical low-skilled immigrant was 56 percent greater than for the typical low-skilled native. This is in part because the two populations are very different.

Most low-skilled immigrants are able-bodied individuals who have come to the United States to improve their lives. While they might take menial jobs in our country, their skills would place them solidly in the middle of the pack back home. Many low-skilled natives, on the other hand, are individuals who are from unstable homes or grew in poor neighborhoods, or they simply do not have what it takes to succeed in a technologically sophisticated society.
NY Times blog
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Old 11-30-2009, 05:59 PM
 
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"Among the low-skilled, immigrants are much more likely than natives to be employed. At the height of the recent economic boom, the number of hours worked by the typical low-skilled immigrant was 56 percent greater than for the typical low-skilled native. This is in part because the two populations are very different.

Most low-skilled immigrants are able-bodied individuals who have come to the United States to improve their lives. While they might take menial jobs in our country, their skills would place them solidly in the middle of the pack back home. Many low-skilled natives, on the other hand, are individuals who are from unstable homes or grew in poor neighborhoods, or they simply do not have what it takes to succeed in a technologically sophisticated society.
"NY Times blog

Were they talking about "immigrants" or illegal aliens"? My guess it is the latter and we already know why employers hire them over American citizens and it is because they work cheaper. That doesn't necessarily mean they work harder either.

As I have pointed out before there is nothing wrong with an American wanting to be a blue colllar worker and it doesn't mean they have some psychological problems or came from bad backgrounds either. Some people prefer doing manual labor jobs and many of those jobs paid a liveable wage or at least they did till the illegals arrived on the scene.

How do you explain why the farmers hire illegal aliens over using visas to gain legal immigrants for those jobs if the claim is that "immigrants" work harder than Americans then? Wouldn't the legal ones work as hard as the illegal ones? I already told you that they hire illegals because it is more profitable so that blows your theory right there about them being more hard working.
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Old 11-30-2009, 06:31 PM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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"Among the low-skilled, immigrants are much more likely than natives to be employed. At the height of the recent economic boom, the number of hours worked by the typical low-skilled immigrant was 56 percent greater than for the typical low-skilled native. This is in part because the two populations are very different.

Most low-skilled immigrants are able-bodied individuals who have come to the United States to improve their lives. While they might take menial jobs in our country, their skills would place them solidly in the middle of the pack back home. Many low-skilled natives, on the other hand, are individuals who are from unstable homes or grew in poor neighborhoods, or they simply do not have what it takes to succeed in a technologically sophisticated society.
"NY Times blog

Were they talking about "immigrants" or illegal aliens"? My guess it is the latter and we already know why employers hire them over American citizens and it is because they work cheaper. That doesn't necessarily mean they work harder either.

As I have pointed out before there is nothing wrong with an American wanting to be a blue colllar worker and it doesn't mean they have some psychological problems or came from bad backgrounds either. Some people prefer doing manual labor jobs and many of those jobs paid a liveable wage or at least they did till the illegals arrived on the scene.

How do you explain why the farmers hire illegal aliens over using visas to gain legal immigrants for those jobs if the claim is that "immigrants" work harder than Americans then? Wouldn't the legal ones work as hard as the illegal ones? I already told you that they hire illegals because it is more profitable so that blows your theory right there about them being more hard working.
The pro illegal side are out of logical arguments and are grasping at straws to keep their 'pets' here in the USA at any cost----------they intuitively know the party is over.
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Old 12-01-2009, 08:40 PM
 
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[quote=chicagonut;11834599]"Among the low-skilled, immigrants are much more likely than natives to be employed. At the height of the recent economic boom, the number of hours worked by the typical low-skilled immigrant was 56 percent greater than for the typical low-skilled native. This is in part because the two populations are very different.

Most low-skilled immigrants are able-bodied individuals who have come to the United States to improve their lives. While they might take menial jobs in our country, their skills would place them solidly in the middle of the pack back home.

These menial jobs are the backbone of our economy, agriculture is our most important economic sector, and natives refuse to perform these duties, the natives prefer to flip hamburgers in fast food joints, which is excactly what's wrong with this society.....
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Old 12-01-2009, 08:43 PM
 
Location: Houston
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"Among the low-skilled, immigrants are much more likely than natives to be employed. At the height of the recent economic boom, the number of hours worked by the typical low-skilled immigrant was 56 percent greater than for the typical low-skilled native. This is in part because the two populations are very different.

Most low-skilled immigrants are able-bodied individuals who have come to the United States to improve their lives. While they might take menial jobs in our country, their skills would place them solidly in the middle of the pack back home.

These menial jobs are the backbone of our economy, agriculture is our most important economic sector, and natives refuse to perform these duties, the natives prefer to flip hamburgers in fast food joints, which is excactly what's wrong with this society.....

Sorry, wrong again.

Economy of the United States by sector - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Old 12-12-2009, 12:30 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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You are welcome Ronnie, God bless you

RIP
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Old 12-12-2009, 12:53 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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The very same question came up in another thread recently. Here is how I answered:

Proof? Easy. I googled the phrase “Illegal aliens work hard for low wages” and here is the first hit:
Oh jeez

I googled "Illegal Alien social services" and got this on the first hit.
Illegal Immigrants' Cost to Government Studied (washingtonpost.com)
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Old 12-12-2009, 04:21 PM
 
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"Among the low-skilled, immigrants are much more likely than natives to be employed. At the height of the recent economic boom, the number of hours worked by the typical low-skilled immigrant was 56 percent greater than for the typical low-skilled native. This is in part because the two populations are very different.

Most low-skilled immigrants are able-bodied individuals who have come to the United States to improve their lives. While they might take menial jobs in our country, their skills would place them solidly in the middle of the pack back home.

These menial jobs are the backbone of our economy, agriculture is our most important economic sector, and natives refuse to perform these duties, the natives prefer to flip hamburgers in fast food joints, which is excactly what's wrong with this society.....
How did I get quoted with this post? Those aren't my words!
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Old 12-12-2009, 04:38 PM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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chicagonut: recheck your post and adapt the 'Quote' tags accordingly: [quote][ /quote] (but eliminate the gap between the '[' and the '/').
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