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Old 12-03-2009, 06:38 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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Court allows illegal immigrant notification law | Arizona local news - Mesa, Scottsdale, Gilbert, Tempe, Chandler | eastvalleytribune.com (http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/story/147909 - broken link)


This is past due and a welcome addition! Usually other States borrow these laws once they pass muster.

CA get on it.
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Old 12-03-2009, 08:21 AM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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and the hammer---------we all know the rest
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Old 12-03-2009, 08:32 AM
 
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Court allows illegal immigrant notification law | Arizona local news - Mesa, Scottsdale, Gilbert, Tempe, Chandler | eastvalleytribune.com (http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/story/147909 - broken link)


This is past due and a welcome addition! Usually other States borrow these laws once they pass muster.

CA get on it.
Unfortunately, Calif. seems to be a lost cause. I know, I live here and even bankrupcty hasn't altered our state government's pandering to illegal aliens.

I passed by a school getting out yesterday and I never saw one single non-Hispanic looking student in the whole bunch and at least three dozen of them were in the crosswalk where I was waiting. Now I realize that some of them are probably legally here and so are their parents but I would bet my bottom dollar that a good majority were either here illegally or they were anchors of illegal alien parents. It simply was shocking to not see one single white or black student in the whole bunch.
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Old 12-03-2009, 08:49 AM
 
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Sad...so sad that it's come to this. As I've often said, if we don't 'take care of business' on our own, eventually somebody will step in a MAKE us do so. So now, because the 'authorities' have been unwilling to do their jobs, and the politicians don't want to 'anger' anyone, it falls to the hourly employee to take up the role of 'spy', and 'bad cop'....

So sad, and it should never have come to this. It's not the job of the everyday citizen to enforce our laws....

What a joke. Good idea, though, if you want to pit 'people against people', and cause division in society. Who knows..if we all start KILLING each other, maybe we can end up with a REAL Police State! Maybe if THIS works, the next step will be that we all get to search each others' houses!! That way, the law can be enforced, and the politicians can claim it's 'not THEIR fault' ....it's 'ours'.

Ni-i-i-ce!
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Old 12-03-2009, 10:47 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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Sad...so sad that it's come to this. As I've often said, if we don't 'take care of business' on our own, eventually somebody will step in a MAKE us do so. So now, because the 'authorities' have been unwilling to do their jobs, and the politicians don't want to 'anger' anyone, it falls to the hourly employee to take up the role of 'spy', and 'bad cop'....

So sad, and it should never have come to this. It's not the job of the everyday citizen to enforce our laws....

What a joke. Good idea, though, if you want to pit 'people against people', and cause division in society. Who knows..if we all start KILLING each other, maybe we can end up with a REAL Police State! Maybe if THIS works, the next step will be that we all get to search each others' houses!! That way, the law can be enforced, and the politicians can claim it's 'not THEIR fault' ....it's 'ours'.

Ni-i-i-ce!
Yes, it is sad but here we are with no other alternative. We've been begging the Feds to get off their hands and do something but they won't. Once Illegals cross the magic boundary line it appears BP is powerless. There are parking lots full of Illegals yet BP can't touch them? People overstay a VISA yet ICE can't round them up and deport them. So the only other legal way we have to identify who is stealing tax payer money is to demand ID at the stations that dish out tax payer funded services and when they use what appears to be false or stolen docs they have to report it.
The enablers of these people have no one to blame but themselves. They've pushed so hard for their Illegal buddies to be hands off we have no choice.
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Old 12-03-2009, 03:26 PM
 
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Yes, it is sad but here we are with no other alternative. We've been begging the Feds to get off their hands and do something but they won't. Once Illegals cross the magic boundary line it appears BP is powerless. There are parking lots full of Illegals yet BP can't touch them? People overstay a VISA yet ICE can't round them up and deport them. So the only other legal way we have to identify who is stealing tax payer money is to demand ID at the stations that dish out tax payer funded services and when they use what appears to be false or stolen docs they have to report it.
The enablers of these people have no one to blame but themselves. They've pushed so hard for their Illegal buddies to be hands off we have no choice.
I totally agree with your post..but look at the positive side. We've all been mad at The Minutemen because they act as 'vigilantes', right? Taking the law into their own hands...'menacing' illegals...staring at people with binoculars as they illegally cross the border.....generally making 'pests' of themselves..right? So now these NEW 'enforcers'...(the public employees who will NOW be 'rooting out' the illegals).will be AUTHORIZED to do so; will, in fact, be ORDERED to do so. These 'new Minutemen' will no longer be 'vigilantes' acting on their own...they'll now be legally authorized to 'check up' on people; they'll be, in essence, 'agents of the State'. No more complaints about 'vigilantes'.

So the illegals may still get 'hounded'.....they and their supporters may still get MAD....and they may still feel 'picked on';....but this time, it won't be by 'vigilantes'...it will be by authorized 'part time citizen cops'. So the news may not be GOOD....but at least it's not ALL bad....'no more vigilantes' has to count for SOMETHING...right? I mean, if we're going to begin living in a Police State, we might as well at least all be police. Better to be the 'pickers' than the 'picked on', if one is forced to make the choice.

When the world hands you lemons, might as well make lemonade. If you end up living in a police state, you might as well be one of the police. Works for me. (Personally, off the record, I'd much prefer that the legal authorities deal with illegals..but that doesn't seem like it's likely to happen anytime soon).

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Old 12-03-2009, 03:45 PM
 
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I totally agree with your post..but look at the positive side. We've all been mad at The Minutemen because they act as 'vigilantes', right? Taking the law into their own hands...'menacing' illegals...staring at people with binoculars as they illegally cross the border.....generally making 'pests' of themselves..right? So now these NEW 'enforcers'...(the public employees who will NOW be 'rooting out' the illegals).will be AUTHORIZED to do so; will, in fact, be ORDERED to do so.

So the illegals may still get 'hounded'.....they and their supporters may still get MAD....and they may still feel 'picked on';....but this time, it won't be by 'vigilantes'...it will be by authorized 'part time citizen cops'. So the news may not be GOOD....but at least it's not ALL bad....'no more vigilantes' has to count for SOMETHING...right? I mean, if we're going to begin living in a Police State, we might as well at least all be police. Better to be the 'pickers' than the 'picked on', if one is forced to make the choice.

When the world hands you lemons, might as well make lemonade. If you end up living in a police state, you might as well be one of the police. Works for me.
It sucks that our liberties get slowly eroded because of some part of the general population run amok. Less than 20 years ago we were able to sleep on the beach, party and pretty much do as we wanted. We now can't stay overnight, alcohol is completely forbidden and they are getting ready to remove the fire rings. Apparently they don't want anyone at the beach anymore as the fines are HUGE.
Every time the cause was some out of control element of our population. In this case it's social services and the theft of them by a certain part of the general population.
We used to be able to out run it by moving to smaller and smaller Cities but we are running out of those. San Diego is becoming the new LA and it sucks! I read stories of other Cities with the same ailments like Phoenix. In our case we are being hit hard because of our proximity to the border.
How do we remove the offenders? The Feds seem incapable.
Arizona seems to be leading the way with at least some type of State led solutions though those solutions do indeed impact everyone.
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Old 12-03-2009, 03:48 PM
 
Location: southern california
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our government is in partnership with business for cheap labor. they are labor busting.
21 million illegal mexican people looking for work, any morning my home depot parking lot is full of them, BP just cant find them they try try try.
when the law breaks the law there is no law.
strange the only people that would stop it are hated by americans, unions. american labor is anti labor.
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Old 12-03-2009, 03:51 PM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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It sucks that our liberties get slowly eroded because of some part of the general population run amok. Less than 20 years ago we were able to sleep on the beach, party and pretty much do as we wanted. We now can't stay overnight, alcohol is completely forbidden and they are getting ready to remove the fire rings. Apparently they don't want anyone at the beach anymore as the fines are HUGE.
Every time the cause was some out of control element of our population. In this case it's social services and the theft of them by a certain part of the general population.
We used to be able to out run it by moving to smaller and smaller Cities but we are running out of those. San Diego is becoming the new LA and it sucks! I read stories of other Cities with the same ailments like Phoenix. In our case we are being hit hard because of our proximity to the border.
How do we remove the offenders? The Feds seem incapable.
Arizona seems to be leading the way with at least some type of State led solutions though those solutions do indeed impact everyone.
Agree about Phx having quite a few of LA's problems but housing is much cheaper (my G/F's house @ $95K would cost at least $300K in a comparable neighbordhood in SD).

The above stated: one huge reason IMHO that Arizona is 'drawing a line in the sand' against the illegals is due in no large part because so many ex Californians now living here are enraged at the Hispanic 'reconquista' and want to stop/destroy it---------cold.
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Old 12-04-2009, 09:00 AM
 
Location: Maryland
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I totally agree with your post..but look at the positive side. We've all been mad at The Minutemen because they act as 'vigilantes', right? Taking the law into their own hands...'menacing' illegals...staring at people with binoculars as they illegally cross the border.....generally making 'pests' of themselves..right? So now these NEW 'enforcers'...(the public employees who will NOW be 'rooting out' the illegals).will be AUTHORIZED to do so; will, in fact, be ORDERED to do so. These 'new Minutemen' will no longer be 'vigilantes' acting on their own...they'll now be legally authorized to 'check up' on people; they'll be, in essence, 'agents of the State'. No more complaints about 'vigilantes'.

So the illegals may still get 'hounded'.....they and their supporters may still get MAD....and they may still feel 'picked on';....but this time, it won't be by 'vigilantes'...it will be by authorized 'part time citizen cops'. So the news may not be GOOD....but at least it's not ALL bad....'no more vigilantes' has to count for SOMETHING...right? I mean, if we're going to begin living in a Police State, we might as well at least all be police. Better to be the 'pickers' than the 'picked on', if one is forced to make the choice.

When the world hands you lemons, might as well make lemonade. If you end up living in a police state, you might as well be one of the police. Works for me. (Personally, off the record, I'd much prefer that the legal authorities deal with illegals..but that doesn't seem like it's likely to happen anytime soon).
I couldn’t agree more. I only wish this could apply to hospital personnel. They could then stabilize, and wait for ICE.

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The law says that any public employee who fails to report discovered violations of federal immigration law is guilty of a Class 2 misdemeanor. That carries a potential of four months in jail and a $750 fine.

That same penalty would apply to the worker's supervisor if he or she knew of the failure to report the illegal immigrant and did not direct the worker to file the report.
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