What is good about illegal aliens? (born, Mexico, Americans, reconquista)

[chicagonut]

Originally Posted by Slig

My point is your posts are inconsistent, in some you're a conformist - saying that anything that is illegal is a no-brainer...that it's bad and intolerable without question or exception, in some you're anti-government for allowing corrupt corporations to have illegal immigrants under their employ because they are greedy, etc. It basically goes to show that you twist things around to meet your own personal agenda.

I fail to see where there is conflict or inconsistentcy in my views. My rule of law applies to both the illegals who are not following our laws and our government for ignoring our laws also. Same goes for the employers who are not following our laws.

[Cruz Azul Guy]

Originally Posted by chicagonut

I fail to see where there is conflict or inconsistentcy in my views. My rule of law applies to both the illegals who are not following our laws and our government for ignoring our laws also. Same goes for the employers who are not following our laws.

So then it would be fair to say that you are 100% in agreement with all of the laws the government has in place currently? I'd be highly surprised if anyone could honestly say that.

[chicagonut]

Originally Posted by Slig

So then it would be fair to say that you are 100% in agreement with all of the laws the government has in place currently? I'd be highly surprised if anyone could honestly say that.

I can't think of any laws that I disgree with offhand. However, if I did disagree with one I would still honor it until or if it got changed. Disagreeing with a law and not following it are two different things. One is legal and the other is not.

[ArizonaBear]

Originally Posted by Slig

You reply with that exact same message as a reply to my post no matter what I'm talking about or who I'm talking to ... which in this case I wasn't talking to you.

Anyways, thanks for continually being annoying.

Slig: if you dish it.............you best be able to take it (with ToS guidelines)

Besides: pro illegal alien apologists are extremely annoying------------at best and traitors at worst.

[Weedsnake]

Originally Posted by Slig

So then it would be fair to say that you are 100% in agreement with all of the laws the government has in place currently? I'd be highly surprised if anyone could honestly say that.

There are many laws currently in place with which I do not agree. I do, however, do my best to not violate any law. If I should violate some law, I am willing to accept the consequenses and expect the same of others.

[Randomstudent]

Originally Posted by BentBow

I can't seem to come up with anything. Thinking really hard and thorough about it, I got nothing.

You know, the "weigh the pros and cons". I found no pros, unless you need labor cheap... Real cheap. Who does that undercut? Is it a level playing field, with a business trying to do things legally? It isn't even a pro for the cause.

The list of cons, is amazing.

Because they refuse to learn English, they make Spanish a viable major for college students looking for administrative careers.

[hardndapaint]

Originally Posted by Randomstudent

Because they refuse to learn English, they make Spanish a viable major for college students looking for administrative careers.

What evidence is there that they "refuse to learn English"? I always thought it was more of a numbers thing. Has there been some kind of study?

[Randomstudent]

Originally Posted by hardndapaint

What evidence is there that they "refuse to learn English"? I always thought it was more of a numbers thing. Has there been some kind of study?

JSTOR: An Error Occurred Setting Your User Cookie

Here is the first page, if you can access JSTOR there is more. It states the English fluency among the 800 aliens surveyed is "greater for those with more schooling and those who are not Hispanic." If I had to guess as to the reasoning for that I would say its not because Hispanics as individuals are less adept at learning English then any other group of "aliens," but that they have a higher illegal/legal immigrant ratio (and illegal immigrants tend to have fewer English skills then legal immigrants because they do not have to meet legal immigration requirements) and since there is such a large community of Hispanic illegal immigrants there are dis-incentives to bothering to learn English. As a result it create careers for Spanish majors with corporations who want to cater to the Spanish language only community.

Additionally, this study only deals with "aliens" and if I am not mistaken, I believe there is no disparity in English language fluency with Hispanic American citizens.

[hardndapaint]

Originally Posted by Randomstudent

JSTOR: An Error Occurred Setting Your User Cookie

Here is the first page, if you can access JSTOR there is more. It states the English fluency among the 800 aliens surveyed is "greater for those with more schooling and those who are not Hispanic." If I had to guess as to the reasoning for that I would say its not because Hispanics as individuals are less adept at learning English then any other group of "aliens," but that they have a higher illegal/legal immigrant ratio (and illegal immigrants tend to have fewer English skills then legal immigrants because they do not have to meet legal immigration requirements) and since there is such a large community of Hispanic illegal immigrants there are dis-incentives to bothering to learn English. As a result it create careers for Spanish majors with corporations who want to cater to the Spanish language only community.

Additionally, this study only deals with "aliens" and if I am not mistaken, I believe there is no disparity in English language fluency with Hispanic American citizens.

And you draw the conclusion that this is because of a "refusal to learn English"?

I can think of a few reasons why an educated, middle to upper-class foreigner coming here to work or study might speak better English than a Mexican who is going to end up in the back of a kitchen or a day labor site.
To say they are learning English less because a lack of necessity is one thing, but saying it's a "refusal to learn" sounds more emotional than logical. It's the type of thing the more emotional us vs. them types like to insist.

I just find it odd considering Hispanic immigrants aren't exactly the most reclusive, self-contained immigrant group around. They come in contact with the mainstream quite a bit. But I'm only talking from experience.

[Randomstudent]

Originally Posted by hardndapaint

And you draw the conclusion that this is because of a "refusal to learn English"?

I can think of a few reasons why an educated, middle to upper-class foreigner coming here to work or study might speak better English than a Mexican who is going to end up in the back of a kitchen or a day labor site.
To say they are learning English less because a lack of necessity is one thing, but saying it's a "refusal to learn" sounds more emotional than logical. It's the type of thing the more emotional us vs. them types like to insist.

I just find it odd considering Hispanic immigrants aren't exactly the most reclusive, self-contained immigrant group around. They come in contact with the mainstream quite a bit. But I'm only talking from experience.

If you are living and working in a foreign country for several years, honestly, what is the excuse for not learning the language? I am not saying they have to write a masters thesis, but simply that they learn enough of the language to be able to communicate in the course of business, which many do not do. I honestly cannot think of any other reason why someone would not be able to learn the language of the country they live and work in.

I do not find it odd, I agree Hispanics are not all that self-contained as an immigrant group (and I am not speaking here of Hispanic-American citizens most of whom have been here their whole lives) and do come in contact with the mainstream. I also am speaking only from experience, but what I have found is a fair amount of the time (not always) when they do come in contact with the mainstream that contact is exclusively in Spanish.