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Old 12-13-2009, 01:58 PM
 
Location: Pasadena
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Unionization might help stop the flow of Illegals to jobs (at least in the private sector)but it won't stop them from ripping off social service tax dollars.
Unions are heavily Latino in Los Angeles. Latinos support strong unions so that everybody will have medical coverage.
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Old 12-13-2009, 02:24 PM
 
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Unions are heavily Latino in Los Angeles. Latinos support strong unions so that everybody will have medical coverage.
They have a lot of sindicatos in Mexico and Mexico has national health care -- why don't they just go home and use their own health care? It's nationalized and just what they're demanding here.
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Old 12-13-2009, 02:36 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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Unions are heavily Latino in Los Angeles. Latinos support strong unions so that everybody will have medical coverage.

Illegal Immigrant may be mostly Latino but Unions are comprised of Americans of which many are Latino. Let's not confuse the two.
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Old 12-13-2009, 03:33 PM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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That's a simplistic view of law. Laws aren't always fair, don't always abide by the rules of "good" or "bad", and are subjective.

Nazi Germany, segregation in the American South, apartheid in South Africa, Uganda's anti-gay laws...among others...are extreme examples of how laws are not always for the moral.
Try using that cockeyed line of reasoning in Spain, Sweden, Germany, Ireland, Japan, Mexico, etc. where illegal immigration is concerned and see how far it gets you.
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Old 12-13-2009, 03:33 PM
 
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That's a simplistic view of law. Laws aren't always fair, don't always abide by the rules of "good" or "bad", and are subjective.

Nazi Germany, segregation in the American South, apartheid in South Africa, Uganda's anti-gay laws...among others...are extreme examples of how laws are not always for the moral.
Those things you mentioned in your second paragraph have nothing to do with illegal immigration. Having immigration laws is not unfair or immoral. People should have rights as long as they don't break any laws. If one considers a law to be unfair then seek to change it but that doesn't give anyone the right to break them in the meantime and then expect to be rewarded for it.
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Old 12-13-2009, 03:40 PM
 
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Our immigration laws are definitely more than fair. The USA has by far the most legal immigrants of any other country on earth. There are millions of people who want to come here but not everyone can come here.

Illegal immigration is what is unfair and also the family chain immigration is unfair. It's not fair that unlimited numbers from just one country can come here simply because they have some amnestied relative living here who can "sponsor" them and family sponsorship is a joke.

It would be better to reduce overall immigration numbers because it's only fair that Americans have dibs on jobs, and limit immigration to employer sponsored immigration and family immigration to immediate family only -- spouse and minor age children.
It's not only a matter of jobs vs. population. Since, as a population grows there is increased demand. Hence why during we didn't have a major economic collapse as baby boomers entered into the workforce.

The main issue is when people focus on retooling and trying to make themselves more employable in a service sector economy. Automation, not immigration, has led to more job loss. Outsourcing as well, but automation is also taking away those jobs.

Biotech, green, any health related sectors are where we need to focus. Manufacturing is dying.
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Old 12-13-2009, 03:43 PM
 
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Try using that cockeyed line of reasoning in Spain, Sweden, Germany, Ireland, Japan, Mexico, etc. where illegal immigration is concerned and see how far it gets you.
You and chi-nut should read up on the term "context".

We shouldn't base our laws on other nation's (at times)bad, immoral, or failed policies.
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Old 12-13-2009, 03:45 PM
 
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You and chi-nut should read up on the term "context".

We shouldn't base our laws on other nation's (at times)bad, immoral, or failed policies.
We don't base our laws on other nations. We just don't like hypocricy.
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Old 12-13-2009, 03:48 PM
 
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It's not only a matter of jobs vs. population. Since, as a population grows there is increased demand. Hence why during we didn't have a major economic collapse as baby boomers entered into the workforce.

The main issue is when people focus on retooling and trying to make themselves more employable in a service sector economy. Automation, not immigration, has led to more job loss. Outsourcing as well, but automation is also taking away those jobs.

Biotech, green, any health related sectors are where we need to focus. Manufacturing is dying.
A smaller economy to fit a smaller population is much more healthy for any country in the long run. There are a lot of factors involved in our planet's ability to accomodate human beings and within every country also.
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Old 12-13-2009, 03:55 PM
 
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A smaller economy to fit a smaller population is much more healthy for any country in the long run. There are a lot of factors involved in our planet's ability to accomodate human beings and within every country also.
Not always the case. Actually, we've seen that to NOT be true during the current downturn. Smaller economies are typically more niche. Thus, if said sector goes under, the entire economy collapses. That's what's going on in Bermuda. That's what happened in Singapore.

More complex economies (China, the US, and much of Europe) came out of recession faster. The road to recovery, though rocky, is better than in smaller, less diversified economies.

Look, we don't know the "carrying capacity" of the planet. We don't know if there is one. Most likely not, since Malthus did not factor in human ingenuity.
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