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Old 12-27-2009, 07:50 PM
 
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That is quite a display of arrogance. I'm sure this has to do with the declining remittances and the repatriation of these people.

Read, they are freaking out their poor are returning home empty handed.
In the Third World (the largest part of mankind), this makes perfect sense. You 'beat the drum' for your group, you 'demand the moon', you 'never back down', and you never apologize. And TO HELL with other groups...they're not your concern. Your duty, in the Third World, is to family, friends, and 'in-group'...not casual strangers. Not other cultures. Not other ethnicities. Not other 'tribes'. In the Third World, you take care of yourself, knowing that nobody else will.

The problem is, that behavior is incompatible with a modern, First-World society, in which we've all had to learn, painfully over time, that we have to put 'society' over ethnicity or 'tribe'...that we MUST trust and cooperate with 'strangers', and 'those unlike us'...whether we like it or not...and where our rights end where they begin to interfere with the 'other guy's' rights....period. First World principles aren't 'natural'..they must be learned....and they take TIME to learn...and they DEFINITELY aren't being learned (nor are they being respected), by illegal immigrants...most of whom have NO interest in learning our 'principles' at all, nor any desire to assimilate to our culture or way of life. Their interest is economic only.

The US has a culture, like it or not; immigrants once 'learned' our culture by assimilation; now they don't. WE don't ASK them to, because we are now 'multicultural'..But cultures are NOT equivalent, nor are they 'interchangeable', and what's 'right' in one culture may very well be 'wrong' in another culture....what's 'arrogance' in one culture is simply healthy 'self-preservation' in another....and that's the problem. And most of us don't want to discuss this, and that makes it an even BIGGER problem.

My two cents.
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Old 12-28-2009, 07:50 AM
 
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In the Third World (the largest part of mankind), this makes perfect sense. You 'beat the drum' for your group, you 'demand the moon', you 'never back down', and you never apologize. And TO HELL with other groups...they're not your concern. Your duty, in the Third World, is to family, friends, and 'in-group'...not casual strangers. Not other cultures. Not other ethnicities. Not other 'tribes'. In the Third World, you take care of yourself, knowing that nobody else will.

The problem is, that behavior is incompatible with a modern, First-World society, in which we've all had to learn, painfully over time, that we have to put 'society' over ethnicity or 'tribe'...that we MUST trust and cooperate with 'strangers', and 'those unlike us'...whether we like it or not...and where our rights end where they begin to interfere with the 'other guy's' rights....period. First World principles aren't 'natural'..they must be learned....and they take TIME to learn...and they DEFINITELY aren't being learned (nor are they being respected), by illegal immigrants...most of whom have NO interest in learning our 'principles' at all, nor any desire to assimilate to our culture or way of life. Their interest is economic only.

The US has a culture, like it or not; immigrants once 'learned' our culture by assimilation; now they don't. WE don't ASK them to, because we are now 'multicultural'..But cultures are NOT equivalent, nor are they 'interchangeable', and what's 'right' in one culture may very well be 'wrong' in another culture....what's 'arrogance' in one culture is simply healthy 'self-preservation' in another....and that's the problem. And most of us don't want to discuss this, and that makes it an even BIGGER problem.

My two cents.
Another ever so truthful post!
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Old 12-28-2009, 07:57 AM
 
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Cheap labor is the name of the game; which is precisely why the citizens of this country are the least of their concerns. These countries realize the U.S. corporate masters have become addicted to cheap labor, and they are more than willing to barter their underclass. After all, they ARE expendable. It’s a win-win for them and the greedy employers of illegal aliens. They can send their uneducated masses to the U.S. and lessen their own burden, while reaping billions in remittances. Meanwhile, the greed-obsessed corporations can continue to compete against the “slave” wages in China and India.

With the exception of the meager wages paid to illegal aliens, and the lack of physical coercion and confinement, parallels exist between our current cheap labor industry and our former slave trade. In both scenarios, the “masters” receive a steady supply of exploitable cheap labor, while the leadership of foreign countries benefit from a steady source of revenue. Only now, foreign countries receive monthly remittances from their citizen rejects, rather than being compensated directly on a per-head basis. I guess this is the “humane” strategy. However, unlike the former slave trade, U.S. taxpayers foot the bill for the expenses of this cheap labor workforce; and, all who oppose are branded as racists and xenophobes. Actually, it’s quite ingenious; particularly, the “racism” component. After all, few relish the idea of being considered a racist, especially in our PC-driven nation.

There will be no amnesty; but there will be a reduction in enforcement under the guise of humanitarianism. The handwriting is on the wall. They are releasing “non-violent” illegals from our prisons (too costly); they have halted workplace raids, instead focusing on the employers (a joke); they are systematically eliminating 287(g) due to alleged racial profiling and discrimination (another joke); they refuse to mandate E-Verify for all employment; they have even set a precedent for changing the legal terminology from illegal alien to “undocumented” at the Supreme Court level, thus marginalizing illegal immigration. Not to mention, Napolitano proclaiming non-criminal status to illegal aliens.

We can expect a continuation of the status quo, while Congress prolongs debates between the Gutierrez and Schumer so-called immigration reform bills. The Gutierrez bill was deliberately drafted so absurdly as to give the Schumer bill the appearance of a viable compromise. Neither bill resolves our illegal immigration problems, and essentially repeats the 1986 “final” amnesty bill. Moreover, our government is as ill-prepared to enforce the proposed laws as our current.

While we continue to debate the issue, illegal immigration will continue to flourish, and the middle class will continue to sink further into the abyss. As long as illegals are permitted to work, and employers can reap the benefits, all is well. Sadly, U.S. citizens are simply collateral damage in the elites’ quest for global competitiveness. Clearly, between illegal immigration, outsourcing, and in-sourcing, the middle class is being screwed. Problem is, who will supply the tax base to sustain this country once the middle class has been eradicated?
An absolute right on post!
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Old 12-28-2009, 10:43 AM
 
Location: On a Long Island in NY
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^ I think a few of these are in order for downtown San Salvador. Maybe then they will get the hint and stop beeping with us. Who the beep are they to tell us how to run our country?

I am getting so fed up with these 3rd world leaders who think they can dictate things to the United States and the rest of the world.
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Old 03-19-2011, 07:59 PM
 
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In the Third World (the largest part of mankind), this makes perfect sense. You 'beat the drum' for your group, you 'demand the moon', you 'never back down', and you never apologize. And TO HELL with other groups...they're not your concern. Your duty, in the Third World, is to family, friends, and 'in-group'...not casual strangers. Not other cultures. Not other ethnicities. Not other 'tribes'. In the Third World, you take care of yourself, knowing that nobody else will.

The problem is, that behavior is incompatible with a modern, First-World society, in which we've all had to learn, painfully over time, that we have to put 'society' over ethnicity or 'tribe'...that we MUST trust and cooperate with 'strangers', and 'those unlike us'...whether we like it or not...and where our rights end where they begin to interfere with the 'other guy's' rights....period. First World principles aren't 'natural'..they must be learned....and they take TIME to learn...and they DEFINITELY aren't being learned (nor are they being respected), by illegal immigrants...most of whom have NO interest in learning our 'principles' at all, nor any desire to assimilate to our culture or way of life. Their interest is economic only.

The US has a culture, like it or not; immigrants once 'learned' our culture by assimilation; now they don't. WE don't ASK them to, because we are now 'multicultural'..But cultures are NOT equivalent, nor are they 'interchangeable', and what's 'right' in one culture may very well be 'wrong' in another culture....what's 'arrogance' in one culture is simply healthy 'self-preservation' in another....and that's the problem. And most of us don't want to discuss this, and that makes it an even BIGGER problem.

My two cents.
There are American citizens that do that now. Earlier immigrants have done that(the first generation anyway). The second generation were "Americanized" into the system.
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Old 03-19-2011, 08:54 PM
 
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There are American citizens that do that now. Earlier immigrants have done that(the first generation anyway). The second generation were "Americanized" into the system.
The earlier immigrants (not to be confused with the illegal aliens of today) came from all over Europe. They weren't mostly from one ethic group. So they Americanized quickly rather than colonizing.
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Old 03-19-2011, 09:01 PM
 
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There are American citizens that do that now. Earlier immigrants have done that(the first generation anyway). The second generation were "Americanized" into the system.
The biggest issue with illegal immigration is the sliding scale of people that don't assimilate (for whatever reason). The number keeps increasing and the problems with this large percentage of the population just keeps getting worse. We have a constant annual count of around a million new people that can't communicate, can't legally work and willingly grab whatever social services are available to them. If you look at it over the scale of about 10 years that is a pretty big issue.

They are a burden but their kids aren't, or maybe their grand kids. It never ends, it's always a HUGE burden to local communities.
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Old 03-20-2011, 01:26 AM
 
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A reasonable number of immigrants allowed into a country will assimilate. They're forced to in order to live, and work there. Uncontrolled illegal immirgration results in millions of people who congregate in ethnic communities, speak their native language, cling to their culture, and open businesses which cater to their particular group. They don't assimilate, because they have no need to. They can live their whole lives in these neighborhoods which they've turned into a microcosm of their home country.

We've always had ethnic neighborhoods, but immigrants of the past, and legal immigrants of today whose numbers are controlled, show a desire to become Americans both in culture, and language. With the number of iIllegal aliens in the millions they have no such desire, because they have no need to.
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Old 03-20-2011, 08:01 AM
 
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Where do these people get their nerve? Illegals are demanding legalization, as though they have a right to be here. Now, we have their countries of origin demanding a seat at our negotiation table. Heaven forbid, illegals should return home and start demanding changes from their own governments; or that these countries should accept responsibility for their own citizens, rather than relying on U.S. taxpayers.


How about “uniting” to improve conditions in your own damn countries.
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Countries like El Salvador have a third of their populations here. They truly expect that all their social problems can be solved by dumping their excess poverty class into the USA.

This obviously has nothing to do with a need for workers - not with our unemployment rates. Obama is turning out to be a real idiot, a total puppet to his globalist masters.
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Old 03-20-2011, 08:07 AM
 
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There are American citizens that do that now. Earlier immigrants have done that(the first generation anyway). The second generation were "Americanized" into the system.
This immigration has absolutely nothing in common with previous immigration.

Not with our very generous welfare programs, the free schools, free health care, free food stamps for all who can't make it in their own countries and of course could not make it here.

In the past, to immigrate, one had to leave family and friends and face an uncertain future. Immigrants came to cut down forests to start farms. If they couldn't adapt, they very often headed back to their homeland. They weren't handed Medicaid, food stamps, WIC and all that, they had to struggle.

This kind of immigration is different because even with no jobs here and already a staggering number of illegals living in poverty, they want to continue pouring in and there is no uncertain future like in the past, they will live high on the hog on Medicaid -- that free health care alone is a great incentive but also food stamps, more food than they could ever have imagined back home working for it. Not only that the US government pays for their housing costs.
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