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The Hmong that the Thai government are about to repatriate to Laos are NOT immigrants in the classical sense; they are refugees who fled persecution in Laos. They, or their relatives, fought on behalf of the US during the Vietnam war. After the end of the Vietnam War the Laotian government heavily persecuted the Hmong; torture, disappearances, etc. were not uncommon. Many fled to Thailand to escape this treatment and they have been refugees, not immigrants, ever sense. Forcing their repatriation to Laos would be akin to forcibly repatriating Jews into Hitler's Germany.
They fought on behalf of the US not Thailand. Not Thailands problem.
Many of these so called refugees came to Thailand long after the original exodus. In short they crossed the border illegally and went to said camps.
The bottom line is that Thailand has been deeply impacted by illegals from Burma and Laos. They understand that this behavior must be stopped. They made the hard call and so should we.
Good points..but this forum apparently isn't the place to discuss Hmong refugees and their status in Thailand. The "Illegal Immigration" subforum is just a place where "Go get 'em!" anti-illegal talking points can be repeated ad naseum by the exact same posters on a daily basis.
No its a place to discuss illegal immigration and its impacts on this nation. To discuss what we the people can do to reduce or eliminate said activity.
Some of us actually believe that our fellow americans should be a priority over illegals. Some of us believe that we have a system in place to enter legally and those who opt to ignore it should be held accountable.
Some of us believe that actions speak louder than words. An illegals first statement to this country is ********* and your laws. Not so different than a common burglers first statement upon breaking into your home.
********* and your property.
Are such worthy of special consideration? Of reward?
I think not.
Would you have the same mentality for someone who broke into your house? I don't think so.
Logic. Logic dictates that if you reward undesirable behavior you encourage more of the same.
Our last amnesty supports this hypothesis.
You asked for logic and there it is.
Why do we need to be enact policy reform that benefits illegals? If anything our policy reform should be based on the needs of this nation and our needs alone. That too is a logical approach.
No sir there is nothing logical about rewarding criminal behavior.
It's not the same situation. That analogy doesn't even closely fit. Obviously amnesty didn't help both sides, so that doesn't work as well. Rewarding criminal behavior? Geez...
E-Verify mandatory across the board; new hires or not.
Rescind birthright citizenship for anybody born after a certain date unless at least one parent is a legal alien AKA green card holder.
No more bilingual education with the obvious exception of foreign language classes in the public school system but all core education be in English only.
Make English our only official language.
The above is what I would call Comprehensive Immigration Reform.
No more bilingual education, but everyone must know English? That's not smart and just based on emotion...but then again what else would I expect.
And what two parties would that be? If one of the parties you are speaking of are illegal aliens then why should we do anything that is beneficial to them?
Well, seeing how they are apart of the society, yes illegal immigrants. If you truly are concerned about "wage depression" or educational attainment rates, you would have elements that address the current undocumented population. You would also try to come up with a program that addresses future growth.
However, if your opinion is based on simple, not well thought out talking points...then by all means do not address the aspects of illegal immigration (which I already know that many don't take a lot into consideration...many are simply sticking to one liner points and not actually understanding other aspects of the immigration debate).
The "Illegal Immigration" subforum is just a place where "Go get 'em!" anti-illegal talking points can be repeated ad naseum by the exact same posters on a daily basis.
But what they're posting here is apparently interesting enough to entice you to keep coming back to read their comments on a daily basis.
Well, seeing how they are apart of the society, yes illegal immigrants. If you truly are concerned about "wage depression" or educational attainment rates, you would have elements that address the current undocumented population. You would also try to come up with a program that addresses future growth.
American lawbreakers, just as with illegal aliens (non-American lawbreakers), are also part of our society, but so what? The way to address the "undocumented population", otherwise known as illegal aliens, is to take away all of the incentives that draw them here in the first place. Many illegal aliens will then start to self-deport and the rest will eventually be arrested and deported as they come to the attention of law enforcement by committing crimes or because of driving violations, etc. There will never be a shortage of foreigners who will be willing to come to the United States to work. We just need to make sure that these foreigners come here legally through the proper immigration channels.
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Have you ever been to Thailand? Have you even met anyone from Thailand?
Thailand is not perfect, and no one has claimed that they are. But we can learn a few things from them. They too have a big problem with illegals and they have been hurt worse by it than we have. They have the right approach on this. Round them up and kick them out once and for all.
Apeasment and amnesty will only encourage more, as we have seen from the last amnesty. Strict enforcment of our immigration laws and enforcment of our laber laws is what we need to do.
I'll take the Thai approach over the turn a blind eye approach or reward the criminal approach anytime and every time.
Do they have a long history of conveniently looking the other way when those illegals benefitted them with cheap labor? We certainly do.
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