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you are clearly in denial about what is happening in this country. our employment population ratio is 58.5 percent. that means that only 58.5 percent of our working age population is employed. this is getting near 3rd world status, and clearly the working population cannot be expected to support the non-working population.
What? That's not what that means. A low ratio is considered 50% and below, a high ratio is considered 70% and above. According to you we are at 58%. This puts us somewhere in the middle. We are in a global economic crisis, you know...Thus, putting the numbers in context, we're a little down, but def. not out.
For example, most European nations were hovering near that same percentage until the early 2000s. Was most of Europe comprised of third world nations in the late 1990s? No, they were in a recession.
The United States in 2005 had an employment population ratio of 71.5%, which is considered high.
your statement that the "poorest of the poor" are going to "contribute" to increase the tax revenue is proof that you are in denial, since they won't be contributing, rather they will be "taking" services.
Well, by second and third generation, income levels dramatically rise. Let's not also forget that a significant population that makes a middle income (since again though the plurality (median) makes 30ish thousand, the mean is closer to 45k...this indicates that there is a significant population making a decent lifestyle). So if the average income is higher than the middle income, that means that indicates a population that has a higher income.
If there is wage depression, legalization of these people means that companies are thus held more accountable for their actions to pay better wages. This means that they, the illegal immigrant population, would be better able to have collective bargaining. So, in effect, the idea would be that the informal sector would be diminished, thus raising wages.
using your own source of information, wikipedia, shows up that the US had a ratio of 71.5 percent in 2005. THAT IS SOME DETERIORATION SINCE 2005.
I was going to say "fine" to Canada because you rarely have Canadians sneaking into the US, but then we have problems with terrorists. With even the Canadian border open, that leaves thousands of miles and dozens of roads which would allow unfettered access. A wide open US from either end is not a good idea. Airports, ports, and guarded points of entry are hard enough to deal with.
If there is wage depression, legalization of these people means that companies are thus held more accountable for their actions to pay better wages. This means that they, the illegal immigrant population, would be better able to have collective bargaining. So, in effect, the idea would be that the informal sector would be diminished, thus raising wages.
Do you really believe this is what is going to happen?
More like the now legal "illegal" will be fired and another freshly arrived illegal will take his place. "Companies" won't be held accountable and they won't pay better wages. They want the illegals because they don't complain about the crappy pay and other unfair business practices going on right in front of them. Big business wants a docile crowd... NOT American citizens.
Do you really believe this is what is going to happen?
More like the now legal "illegal" will be fired and another freshly arrived illegal will take his place. "Companies" won't be held accountable and they won't pay better wages. They want the illegals because they don't complain about the crappy pay and other unfair business practices going on right in front of them. Big business wants a docile crowd... NOT American citizens.
So you have a system in place that shortens the time to obtain proper documentation. Time and cost seem to be the two biggest immediate factors to illegal. Reducing the time and cost will make legal alternatives more viable. Thus making legal entry an attractive option.
I don't disagree with you on what they want, but rather saying that some sort of normalization program, as well as futher actions (reducing time and costs associated with immigration, and punative measures for those employing illegal immigrants) will reduce the illegal immigrant.
Do you really believe this is what is going to happen?
More like the now legal "illegal" will be fired and another freshly arrived illegal will take his place. "Companies" won't be held accountable and they won't pay better wages. They want the illegals because they don't complain about the crappy pay and other unfair business practices going on right in front of them. Big business wants a docile crowd... NOT American citizens.
Exactly right! Just like the last amnesty a new batch of illegals would arrive because we cannot accomodate every poor person that wants to come here. There is a never ending supply of poor people wanting to migrate to our country. We have to draw the line somewhere and that is why we have immigration laws in the first place. We need to secure our borders even if it means putting the military down there as a deterrant, implementing e-verify and removing any and all incentives for illegals to come here. The number of immigrants we allow in should be based on a true need for them not what the immigrant needs. They need to fight for change in their own countries.
Do you really believe this is what is going to happen?
More like the now legal "illegal" will be fired and another freshly arrived illegal will take his place. "Companies" won't be held accountable and they won't pay better wages. They want the illegals because they don't complain about the crappy pay and other unfair business practices going on right in front of them. Big business wants a docile crowd... NOT American citizens.
So you have a system in place that shortens the time to obtain proper documentation. Time and cost seem to be the two biggest immediate factors to illegal. Reducing the time and cost will make legal alternatives more viable. Thus making legal entry an attractive option.
I don't disagree with you on what they want, but rather saying that some sort of normalization program, as well as futher actions (reducing time and costs associated with immigration, and punative measures for those employing illegal immigrants) will reduce the illegal immigrant.
I do agree with you that time and cost could be lowered. However, these two issues are NOT what is daunting to the illegals. Nope, most of those from SOB KNOW they would NOT QUALIFY for citizenship in the US. THIS is why they sneak in, not because it's too costly and time consuming.
We owe illegals NOTHING and should do nothing but catch and deport them all. Fine and jail employers that hire them.
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