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No human is infallible. Are you suggesting that simply because we are all imperfect beings, behaviors cannot be inherently wrong? That makes no sense. You are trying to negate morality in an attempt to justify illegal immigration. Sorry, but your efforts are futile. I have offered my solutions, and you were forewarned that they would conflict with your agenda.
Illegal because it's illegal and no other basis implies infallibility. Thus, having the morality issue come into play becomes more rigid when looking at the issue in this manner. Laws and morality are dynamic...the underlying implication of your views is that these two things are static.
If you sincerely desire to help illegal aliens, perhaps you should establish a group to assist them in the repatriation process in preparation for another amnesty defeat. They need to realize they cannot continue to depend on the U.S., because this is not their country. As such, we have no obligation to them. It’s time for them to muster the courage to demand change from their own governments. They certainly have no problem demanding from ours.
Re-read the post. Amnesty could be put one of many parts to the solution. They have demanded change...however, with the continuation of wealth concentration globally, change will be hard to come by (by the way, IMF and World Bank can be attributed to increasing this concentration of wealth). It's partly our fault in this sense.
Rather than trying to sway our opinions toward illegal immigration, and strategizing for their inclusion in our society, your time would be much better served formulating strategies to assist them in reestablishing their lives in their home countries. That would be a worthy endeavor.
If they live in this country, they are a part of the society. So shouldn't we try to not make an underclass? This makes the most sense. You complain that they don't speak English...well teach them! You complain that they are poor...give them proper training! You complain that they live in substandard housing...allow provisions to regulate real estate and lending, as well as provide more funds for public housing! You complain about hospitals overcrowding...build more hospitals and make it cheaper to go to med school! The fact of the matter is that jobs entice them here. There will always be illegal immigrants in our nation, unless we have a comprehensive reform that incentivizes legal immigration in addition to some more punative measures.
You need a Plan B.
Look at what's going on, and you'll see that taking an extreme route on this issue may not be optimal solution.
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If they live in this country, they are a part of the society. So shouldn't we try to not make an underclass? This makes the most sense. You complain that they don't speak English...well teach them! You complain that they are poor...give them proper training! You complain that they live in substandard housing...allow provisions to regulate real estate and lending, as well as provide more funds for public housing! You complain about hospitals overcrowding...build more hospitals and make it cheaper to go to med school! The fact of the matter is that jobs entice them here. There will always be illegal immigrants in our nation, unless we have a comprehensive reform that incentivizes legal immigration in addition to some more punative measures.
I have a better idea. Deport all illegal alien lawbreakers so they won't make an underclass in this country. If we do that, then we won't have to do all of those other things on your gift list for illegal aliens paid for by American taxpayers.
I have a better idea. Deport all illegal alien lawbreakers so they won't make an underclass in this country. If we do that, then we won't have to do all of those other things on your gift list for illegal aliens paid for by American taxpayers.
Only too high if we don't give them the insentive to self deport.There is more than one approach to the problem.
1. Enforce our labor laws. Remove the incentive and the ability for illegals to prosper in this country.
2. Enforce our laws in regards to using false ID.
3. Enact and or enforce existing laws to prevent illegals from renting, or buying a home.
If they can't function they won't stay. We have seen this self migration away from states who do the above. If done nation wide the result is clear.
Only too high if we don't give them the insentive to self deport.There is more than one approach to the problem.
1. Enforce our labor laws. Remove the incentive and the ability for illegals to prosper in this country.
2. Enforce our laws in regards to using false ID.
3. Enact and or enforce existing laws to prevent illegals from renting, or buying a home.
If they can't function they won't stay. We have seen this self migration away from states who do the above. If done nation wide the result is clear.
You're exactly right but you see the pro-illegals will make every excuse in the book why it won't work or it is too expensive, blah, blah, blah.
Only too high if we don't give them the insentive to self deport.There is more than one approach to the problem.
1. Enforce our labor laws. Remove the incentive and the ability for illegals to prosper in this country.
2. Enforce our laws in regards to using false ID.
3. Enact and or enforce existing laws to prevent illegals from renting, or buying a home.
If they can't function they won't stay. We have seen this self migration away from states who do the above. If done nation wide the result is clear.
This again implies a perfect market situation in which there would be no black market or fraudulent hiring practices. Illegal immigrants are much more likely to more in unregulated informal sector jobs, away from gov't scrutiny.
The only way self deportation works, as we now are seeing, is if market conditions make their country of origin somehow more attractive (for example what the gov't of Ecuador is doing for those coming back).
You're exactly right but you see the pro-illegals will make every excuse in the book why it won't work or it is too expensive, blah, blah, blah.
The cost, according to ICE, would be $100 billion back in 2007. This is only to deport. We also know that the majority of deportees come back. This increases the cost yet again. Then we would have to find a solution to prevent entrance all together (since this would be the cheapest means). Yet, there will still be illegal immigration except if we militarize the border. The costs are astounding.
We then would have entire industries suffer greatly and a loss of sales tax revenue in many communities. It's simply not feasible.
So the best method is to figure out a way to incentivize legal immigration, find a way to legalize those that are here, find a way to make them more productive and valuable to the American economy, and also make punative measures for those that hire future illegal immigrants. We also need to coordinate efforts with Latin American countries to stem illegal immigration.
Just how thick can the pro-illegals be? The solution AGAIN is to make them self-deport through e-verify and denying taxpayer benefits. Self-deportation doesn't cost anything and those who self-deport for the above reasons would have no reason to want to re-enter again!!! Jobs vacated by illegals would be taken by Americans or legal immigrants and THEY would then be the ones to pay into this so-called loss in sales tax revenue. All the other social costs we are currently having to pay for their upkeep would go away also. A win, win for this country and Americans.
Just how thick can the pro-illegals be? The solution AGAIN is to make them self-deport through e-verify and denying taxpayer benefits. Self-deportation doesn't cost anything and those who self-deport for the above reasons would have no reason to want to re-enter again!!! Jobs vacated by illegals would be taken by Americans or legal immigrants and THEY would then be the ones to pay into this so-called loss in sales tax revenue. All the other social costs we are currently having to pay for their upkeep would go away also. A win, win for this country and Americans.
Again this implies a perfect market (one of the provisions of a perfect market scenario is perfect information...thus a lack of a black market/informal sector). We know that there is a significant informal sector. This sector would grow if there are simply punative actions (a parallel is the drug market...punative measures that increases the number of those entering into the black market). The social costs and loss of tax revenue would be pretty substantial. Thus, normalization of status is one method that could both curtail the growth of the informal sector and obtain more tax revenue.
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